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cellulous or 2 pack paint

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:23 pm
by yonner
hey there

looking to find cellulous paint in airisol cans 2 pack if there is such a thing in a can that i can use to paint up some welded areas im currently without compressor and my work is far to buisy at current to do it in there i have alreasy repaired the rust on my 100e rear wheel arch with beleve it or not a pice of morris minor front wheel arch and my dads m8 came and smothed it off with lead, i have already primed the area with a rust proof primer and just wet sanded it now i just need to find some paint, oh and some tips as all im alowd to ddo in work is primer at the moment :P

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:33 am
by chickenjohn
Yes, you can buy cellulose is cans. All the Morris parts suppliers sell the correct colours in aerosol cans- esm, bull motif etc.

Or, your local automotive paint supplier should be able to make uo aerosol cans of the colour of your choice.

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:45 pm
by Alec
Hello Yoner,

be aware that two pack paint is extremely hazardous to your health and requires the use of an air fed mask to spary with. Cellulose is far better for the amateur as it is very forgiving and can be blended in and cut back with the existing finish.

Alec

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:49 pm
by jonathon
Alec,
As I have said before on this matter cellulose is also very hazardous and an air fed mask should be worn when spraying and cleaning out your gun.The thinners is the offending product. :wink:

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:40 am
by chickenjohn
You can wear a carbon filter mask for cellulose. The thinners are harmful and highly flammable, as they contain toluene ane Xylene (and methanol in the case of gun wash).

This will not work for 2-pack as Isocycanates are given off which are toxic. You DO need an air fed mask for 2-pack which can and has killed home sprayers!!

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:31 pm
by dp
I've got some two pack left over from the respray a few years' ago. How dangerous is it to mix up some colour and hardener to touch up stone chips with a small brush? Which of the two 'packs' is the dangerous one; or is it both? Or only dangerous once mixed?

Ta

Darren

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:16 pm
by jonathon
Darren,
so long as you do not breath heavily on the paint you will be fine. The main problems only occur when the paint is atomised. The most harmfull of the two packs is the thinner/hardener, although the actual solid colours do contain cyanide. So really in theory just take care.
The reason I warn against cellulose is mainly because, some folk believe that just because it was the original choice at manufacture, then it must be safe, also because it has the ommission of cyanide, that it is a safe product. Even if you wear a mask when spraying cellulose, have a thought for your neighbours and any pets. :wink:

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:51 pm
by Matt
Even if you wear a mask when spraying cellulose
Please do!!! Cellulose thinners contains all sorts of toxic ingredients...

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:39 pm
by dp
Thanks

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:18 pm
by brixtonmorris
i wound not touch 2 pac, ruin your car, give you health worries when you sleep. and i dont think its avalible in spray cans as its so dangerous.

2 pac soon to be buried by health and safty, and on its head stone reads "a cheep fix for use in the auto trade".

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:30 pm
by KirstMin
brixtonmorris wrote:on its head stone reads "a cheep fix for use in the auto trade".
Worms. Can. Of!

That should have the words "in my opinion" before the statement. I think it's misleading to state your personal dislike for 2K as a fact that it is a rubbish, quick fix paint. Many would disagree with you and Jonathon has rebuked such statements many times. It can be used as a quick fix (resulting in rapid degradation) but on the other hand it can also be used professionally for a superb finish.

I agree that it's certainly not a home use product, which is why so many people on this site tend to advise against it.

Methinks we might hear more on your comment...

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:32 pm
by brixtonmorris
:lol:

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:00 am
by chickenjohn
Brixton is right though!

:)

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:08 pm
by brixtonmorris
2 pac looks great on my Ducati though!

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:44 pm
by chickenjohn
Yes, agreed, 2 pac has its place, for instance when I do my 944, I'm gonna use 2-pack (with full breathing apparatus at the college spray booth!)

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:57 am
by brixtonmorris
and it looks wonderfull on Steves splitty.

look at that rear end.


class.

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:16 am
by jonathon
Nice one Steve, did you go for clear over or solid in the end. :D

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:53 pm
by SR
no mate, trying to stick to a budget, theres a tiny run on the body. small dent they missed on bootlid, but im not too bothered, my first week on the road ,i could get a stonechip or a dent in tesco car park,steve