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Sorting out
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:14 pm
by les
In my continual efforts to thin down my stuff and whilst sorting through tools, I have come across a steel rule calibrated in one hundredths of an inch !! ——-essential for a Minor !
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:12 am
by Wes
les wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:14 pm
I have come across a steel rule
Now there's a whole new topic right there. I've been in engineering al my life and to me a graduated piece of metal/wood/plastic is a 'ruler', a 'rule' is something to follow/obey ;-)
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:26 am
by les
You’re wrong.
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Re: Sorting out
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:27 am
by philthehill
Steel rules can be bent
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:36 am
by geoberni
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:38 am
by Mervin
" I've been in engineering al my life and to me a graduated piece of metal/wood/plastic is a 'ruler', a 'rule' is something to follow/obey ;-)"
So have I, and I respectfully disagree. Following that logic - King Charles is a "ruler". To me it's always been a "rule".
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:50 am
by les
Exactly, something I learnt in my apprenticeship. Another engineering term ———- it’s a G cramp not a G clamp.
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:15 am
by Bill_qaz
As a rule I would follow your rule of the ruler but as you have admitted bending the rule, then you are being unruly.
It's therefore been ruled by our ruler that you should not brake the rules, so he has ruled that you will be ruled as officially un-ruled.
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:26 am
by geoberni
Mervin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:38 am
" I've been in engineering al my life and to me a graduated piece of metal/wood/plastic is a 'ruler', a 'rule' is something to follow/obey ;-)"
So have I, and I respectfully disagree. Following that logic - King Charles is a "ruler". To me it's always been a "rule".
My vote goes with Les, my RAF Engineering training implanted the difference between an Engineer's Rule and an Administrator's Ruler.
Or as this guy puts it, one is for the worker, one is for the drawing office.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yZpV3sJy ... ture=share
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 11:15 am
by Wes
les wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:26 am
You’re wrong.
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Interesting. Reminds me that if a thread goes all the way up to the head of a bolt than its a screw
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 11:21 am
by Wes
les wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:50 am
Exactly, something I learnt in my apprenticeship. Another engineering term ———- it’s a G cramp not a G clamp.
In my apprenticeship a cramp had 1 movable jaw that slid along a a bar, but a G shaped tool was a clamp, not to be confused with a micrometre!
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 11:22 am
by Wes
Wes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 09, 2025 11:21 am
les wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:50 am
Exactly, something I learnt in my apprenticeship. Another engineering term ———- it’s a G cramp not a G clamp.
Was also taught that there was no such SI unit as a Centimetre, only Millimetres & Metres.
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:57 pm
by Chief
geoberni wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:26 am
the difference between an Engineer's Rule and an Administrator's Ruler.
Forum rules
By using this site, you agree to our rules. Please see: Terms of Use
So, the Administrator's Ruler makes the Forum Rules.
Wes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 09, 2025 11:22 am
Was also taught that there was no such SI unit as a Centimetre, only Millimetres & Metres.
Funny that, I remember a wood work teacher saying the same. He also found it strange that I'd use inches as a measurement - this is because I grew up in an education system using metric, but my parents used imperial
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 5:01 pm
by les
Wes, yes you’re right about the bolt/screw (set) but wrong again about the G cramp. Never mind we’ve got through life, right or wrong !
—— I admit many people call it a G clamp.
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:04 am
by Wes
Even the owners or RECORD tools call it a Clamp
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:08 am
by philthehill
Personally I do not care what an item is called so long as it does the job that I want it to do.
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:10 am
by les
Wes wrote: ↑Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:04 am
Even the owners or RECORD tools call it a Clamp
Yes, even they can’t get it right ! We’re going downhill fast. Maybe Record are owned by US
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Shall we let it rest now ?
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:17 am
by Chief
I was taught they were clamps, maybe Cramps is English and Clamps is Scottish
philthehill wrote: ↑Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:08 am
Personally I do not care what an item is called so long as it does the job that I want it to do.
A rose by any other name...
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:32 am
by geoberni
les wrote: ↑Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:10 am
Wes wrote: ↑Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:04 am
Even the owners or RECORD tools call it a Clamp
Yes, even they can’t get it right ! We’re going downhill fast. Maybe Record are owned by US
Shall we let it rest now ?
Unsurprisingly.....
Record were a Sheffield company started in the 1900s, after several takeovers commencing in the 1930s including Swedish ownership in the 1980s, it became a division of American Tool Companies Inc in 1998... and as with all things corporate, it's now all part of the
Stanley Black & Decker Inc empire.
Re: Sorting out
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:38 am
by Mervin
I sometimes get night cramps.
A, possibly petty, bugbear of mine is the use of "Mole grips" for the modern cheap and nasty vice grips. I do have a genuine Mole grip (wrench) from years ago, still working perfectly, made in Newport, S. Wales, by Mole.
Yes, a ruler rules. Rules are often broken, particularly plastic versions.
