Post referendum malarkey

[SteveClem]

Looks like the politicians are going to be too busy to be bothering about classic car regulations for a few years.

[busguy]

Good to see you back Steve!

The politicians are going to have to work really hard on this.

We need a positive but resolute leader to see it through, surrounded by good negotiators, cross party teams, each led by a 'BEleaver', well thought out planning and negotiating strategies, good positive communications with the electorate, and I'm sure a good deal can be achieved.

Looking forward. In 5 years time the EU will be in a far worse place than the UK.

[simmitc]

I heard that some of those who lost the argument are petitioning for another referendum. The Chairman of the Parliamentary Petitions has stated that they have deleted a large number of fraudulent signatures.

Separately, I hear that there is a petition to redraw last Saturday’s lottery as there were a lot of losers who felt that the wrong numbers had been drawn.

[crackers]

Being an aussie, I've no valid view one way or the other on the result. However, I was amazed that people seriously think that just because they lost the vote, they have the right to demand a second try... with different rules. It's like saying the wrong government got in (we get that all the time) and you'd like to have another go (we get that too).

I'm also disappointed with the bully boy tactics of Germany, France and Italy. If anything convinces me that this was a good decision by Britain, it's their behaviour.

Not being involved at your end and reading all the inevitable press, it's hard to comment on the personalities, but I am impressed with the way Cameron has handled his defeat - you don't see that sort of dignity very often in politics.

Best of luck Britain. Maybe you can go back to making Morry Minors

[olderisbetter]

I think the revote is also about the turn out and result, it seems they should have had more than a 75% turn out to win with less than a 60% swing, and the petition has gone way over the 100,000 needed to be heard, but as ever politicians are starting to back track about how the saved money can be spent, all i know is the new tax forms are less complicated from next year..
The new tax form has only 2 questions.
Question1. How much did you earn last year?
Question2. When can you send it to us?

[bmcecosse]

It's not a skool boy 'best of three' - everyone had plenty of time to know about the Ref - plenty of time to decide which way they wanted. The rules were clearly set at straight 50% of those who bothered to vote. If anyone didn't vote , and now doesn't like the result- well tough cheddar - you had the chance - and you wasted it all by yourself. What I do find disappointing is that the Gov seems to have no plan in place for the Leave vote to win - for weeks before it was being called 'too close to call' - surely they should have had a plan? As for Cameron now wimping out - less said the better - very disappointing. He should be grasping the opportunity to make Britain Great again ! Big 'Buy British' campaign is called for - including 'Holiday in Britain' - less chance of getting shot up on a beach somewhere.

[SteveClem]

Glad you got tempted to join in this debate Roy!

[myoldjalopy]

I can't believe people are calling for a second referendum, just because they don't like the result. Just get on with it! Far better that everyone pulls together now instead of endless recriminations and warniings of more doom and gloom.

[crackers]

Maybe it's time to revisit why you joined in the first place
https://youtu.be/EkpS-yBj7gY

Best of luck sorting it all out.

[midget]

Great result for Democracy.....but wheres Nickol?

[busguy]

Great result for Democracy.....but wheres Nickol?

Sulking? No doubt he will be back with his misguided preaching.

[Nickol]

It is nice to feel wanted but I have been trying to sort my binding Brakes -

Sulking? It is likely that I will be a winner from the vote as a large Body of the Banking sector could leave London for Frankfurt and as a result the property Prices in "Mainhatten" will jump. Thus my sadness, may have a silver lining. It is though no secret that I would have preferred a different result, however......

.... there is no going back now. Even if the English/ British were to reverse the decision, the damage has been done and it seems that there is no Inclination to do so anyway. The other member states would simply not trust any british government in the Long term any more even though, if the vote had gone the other way, all would have heaved a sigh of relief. It would not be difficult to do so - GB is a constitutional not a plebiscite Democracy so the Referendum result has no legal Standing until parliament votes on it. It seems the powers that be are not prepared to do that yet, probably due to the effect of dividing the Country even more. They will have to at some time though.

This is a much more serious Problem than the Brexit itself and its effect on the other 27 member states and that is the derision within GB itself. Scottish nationalists have a new Impetus and that will be interesting to see how it develops. If Scotland does extricate itself, will GB lose ist Veto right as one of the permanent members with a Veto right in the UN? And talking of the UN, if we are going down the line of democratic decisions, one could hardly describe the UN for all its good works, to be democratic in the way People demand of the EU of Member states. Will those bitterly opposed to a Brexit leave GB for overseas in disgust? This is very similar to the so called "Empire loyalists" who left the newly formed USA after the treaty of Paris to settle (mostly) in Canada. Voting with your feet it is called.

There is great speculation as to how many organisations will pack their bags and leave uk or at the very least freeze further investments.I suspect they are awaiting developments before making any decisions.

And now some propaganda. Europe as an entity is far more important than the interests of individual member countries gaining Advantages at the expense of others in any joint Agreement. There is a Balance to be struck between a european interest being uppermost and an individual Country being disadvantaged as a result. No responsible person wants that. The Brexit has two Scenarios for Britain. Either GB will suffer economicaly and politically as a result or it will ( to Quote the brexiters) be free of the yoke of EU restrictions ( all of which GB were party to and agreed on by the way) and be extraordinary successful.
The same applies to the EU of member states itself. Either it will Reform itself to reflect what People seem to want or it too will stagnate and suffer.

Good luck !

[philthehill]

I do not normally do politics in an open forum but it is a funny old world when the FTSE 100 and the FTSE 250 are higher now than they were before the Brexit result.

In all of this I am reminded of the saying:-

There are lies, dammed lies and statistics.

Phil

[busguy]

Hi Nickol
Good to see you back on here, and not suffering undue stress about the situation.
Our thinking may differ on the UK political situation, but you are always welcome on here.
It's early days yet, but maybe we will end up joining EFTA, as that is a benefit to the UK and also keeps a sensible relationship with the EU. Maybe EFTA will grow bigger as other disgruntled countries want out of, but not right away from the EU?

On your binding brakes, is it front or rear? How old are your brake cylinders, and has the brake fluid been changed recently? Is your handbrake cable sticking? Have any brake shoe linings come unglued/adrift?

[Nickol]

Actually I am quite worried of the after effects for everyone but at the same time it is interesting.


But always a pleasure to be in this Forum and obtain info not really available in Manuals.

Brakes - I replaced all the front wheel cylinders, brake linings and hoses 3 years ago because the (then) Drivers side Brakes had jammed. Now at least one front side is binding again after a short run. You wait an hour or so and they are ok. The master cylinder I have relocated and perhaps done something stupid which prevents fluid returning. However just half an hour ago I retested after slackening off the adjusters to the Limit and they could be ok now. More testing required. Forgot - I have replaced the Brake linings again using Mintex.
It might be that just the 12 month lay off is a contributary cause. It might be because the wheel cylinders are not original???

Of the existing 4 EFTA countries, Switzerland is larger than all the others put together and is a party to the Schengen agreement.i.e. you do not Need to Show any ID when travelling overland from Germany, Austria, France or Italy (but they will stop you if you do not have a Vignette for your car! It has contributed since 2008 CHF 1,3 Billion to the EU Budget. It , like Norway has agreed to the free movement of persons from within the EU on the Basis of looking for work.
https://www.eda.admin.ch/erweiterungsbe ... itrag.html

The expert on my Radio is sceptical that in any separate Agreement with GB after a Brexit the free movement of persons principal will be waived and that the Budget contribution will be reduced.
Source: IFO Instute München - Prof. Dr. Clemens Fuest (Präsident)

Like I say i am a bit worried. The Brakes Problem is or will be solved.

[bmcecosse]

My Pension fund is up a good 7% up since all this Ref nonsense. Higher now than it has been last 12 months. We need a big BUY BRITISH and HOLIDAY in BRITAIN campaign...says he who is driving an excellent Romanian built car - but there just is nothing to match it for price/economy/comfort/equipment -( did I mention price ??) made in Britain these days.

[les]

As one of the few who can't read Swiss, that link is wasted on me! I also can't read German, so what does the caption at the bottom of your posts say, Nickol ?

[Monty-4]

I find the whole thing to be disappointing, embarrassing and quite disheartening. I have to live with the result for 40 years longer than the average leave voter too!

The argument for sovereignty is nonsense. Not as much money goes to the EU than people were told, not as many laws come from the EU as we were told, most of the laws are ones people would agree with, we're not even compelled to institute all EU laws. The people you're handing 'sovereignty' (read: power) to are populists eager to dismantle the things you hold most dear. This referendum campaign was craven lie upon craven lie. How bloody dare they.

Economy-wise - working in a rather international part of the tech industry I struggle to see positives. The weaker pound temporarily makes us cheaper to contract for a while but otherwise I'm at a loss. The last guy I hired was from Portugal (the UK applicants weren't up to it - we did look) and we regularly work with companies from all over the EU. I'll be looking for my next job outside of the UK if this goes through - perhaps I can swap the Minor for a Volvo Amazon!

Of course you have your own views about this but my opinion is that it should be undone as soon as possible. I don't buy that a 48.1/51.9 result gives mandate for such drastic change, not even Farage did, until he won. Apologies for the rant.

[les]

Undone? How would that be fair on the majority of people who wanted to leave? I seem to recall hearing that many young people didn't bother to vote.

[bmcecosse]

I'm not happy with last week's Lotto draw - I didn't win. I want it run again so I can win this time round, and I didn't even enter last week... Sounds silly, but It's the same argument isn't it ?? All very well to say 48/51 % is not a good enough result - but it was 1.25 Million people who swung the balance - that sounds a lot better doesn't it. The result is BINDING - we are OUT of the EU - and thank goodness for that! Buy British and Holiday in Britain !!