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Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:42 am
by taupe
Spotted this on ebay, I suspect any buyer may be disappointed on entering a competition with this one or maybe it was a factory reshell :wink: ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Beautiful-Res ... SwqYBWpPrB

Taupe

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:34 am
by The vast minority
Who's going to inform him?
"He should know" as he says himself in the listing :oops:

Al

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:36 am
by ManyMinors
That car is no earlier than late 1967 I reckon. Somebody has done a little to disguise the dashboard - and fitted some pull switches but the positions are wrong because the later switches were closer together. I assume it doesn't have a pull start because you can see the later type of solenoid in the underbonnet photo. Oh, they did fit the earlier gloveboxes and steering wheel too, so.....
3 points out of 100 for 1959 specification??

Good luck to any unsuspecting buyer who DOES enter it in a "concours" :roll:

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:46 am
by martin418
i think the concourse judge would have a field day just under the bonnet alone , sound proofing panel , washer pot need i go on , :roll:

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:39 am
by The vast minority
Where are you BMC :D

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:54 am
by BAS587
Just seen this post and looked at the ebay listing, to add to the confusion using the DVLA check it does show it as a 59 vehicle.

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:57 am
by POMMReg
Anyone requested body or stamped in vin number?

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:21 am
by philthehill
To be fair to the seller they do not state that it is concourse but what they do say is that with some detailing work it could become suitable for concourse.
Anyway if it is as good underneath as it appears to be on top I consider the price to be reasonable even if some of the detailing is not correct.
Not everyone want a true concourse car.

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:26 am
by ManyMinors
BAS587 wrote:Just seen this post and looked at the ebay listing, to add to the confusion using the DVLA check it does show it as a 59 vehicle.
That is because the registration details, V5 document etc. ARE from a 1959 car. The CAR itself is a later model.
The DVLA won't be aware of this unless it is brought to their attention.

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:51 pm
by millerman
Does it matter :(

People have too much time on their hands :D

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:42 pm
by POMMReg
millerman wrote:Does it matter :(

People have too much time on their hands :D
Isn't taxed,MoT'd nor Insured.

If involved in a major accident - causing injury or death - owner would be in the poo.

Plus where did the donor vehicle come from?

The "Does it matter" attitude is daft.

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:03 pm
by ManyMinors
The car was advertised for sale in Sept. 2014 for £3995 and was listed then as having a 1098cc engine.
It is now (wrongly) claimed to be a 948cc.

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:07 pm
by LouiseM
POMMReg wrote:Isn't taxed,MoT'd nor Insured.
It's taxed & MOT'd until September - how do you know that it isn't insured?? :-?

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:31 pm
by taupe
It has clearly had a replacement bodyshell or at the very least a replacement cab and bulkhead at some point, it may have been a replacement factory shell and therefore legitimate to retain its 59 registration...but any buyer will probably only find this out if entering a concourse competition. Or indeed it may be just a later car with early number plates fitted which could cause problems with insurance etc...

There are I suspect large numbers of cars out there in this same situation..

Taupe

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:42 pm
by POMMReg
LouiseM wrote:
POMMReg wrote:Isn't taxed,MoT'd nor Insured.
It's taxed & MOT'd until September - how do you know that it isn't insured?? :-?
It's insured IF it were a genuine 1959, seeing it clearly is not...it cannot be insured.

Identity is MoT exempt, vehicle itself isn't.

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:13 pm
by les
I can't imagine a concours judge knowing if another bodyshell had been fitted, most cars entered into this sort of competition are completely stripped and rebuilt anyway.

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:11 pm
by SteveClem
Crikey! What a minefield...something to be said for just having a nice car and enjoying it?

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:41 pm
by The vast minority
BAS587 wrote:Just seen this post and looked at the ebay listing, to add to the confusion using the DVLA check it does show it as a 59 vehicle.
That adds nothing to the confusion, it's just a computer record of a 1959 identity. DVLA check would say it's a 59 minor if you put that reg on a brand new Toyota or a 100 year old steam car.

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:33 pm
by iconic
the Minor is shown as insured on the database :wink: .....

Re: Concourse Dissapointment

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:25 pm
by John Naylor
Just contacted seller who was unaware, very concerned and is contacting the previous seller. Dependant on the response he may have to withdraw the car from auction.