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Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 9:10 pm
by impearse
Hello there, I've just become a Moggie owner, and I'm still learning my way around it. A question about the front seats... is it usual to have tilting front seats in a 4-door, i.e. where they're not necessary? I find that the seats sit rather low at the back, so I'm having to lean forward to see properly. At the same time, it feels like my backside is on the floor. It would be good to be able to at least lift the back of the seats up so I'm sitting higher and more upright. I'm 6 foot tall so seating is not usually a problem! Any advice welcomed. :D

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 10:09 pm
by panky
Hi and welcome to the messageboard :)
There were rubber packing blocks on the back of the seats originally, you could turn them round to various thicknesses to adjust the rear seat height. Maybe try a couple of pieces of wood to bring it up a bit after first checking to see the seat webbing hasn't collapsed and making sure the seat frame isn't sinking through the floor :o :wink:

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 10:58 pm
by jagnut66
There were rubber packing blocks on the back of the seats originally
Hi,
Was that standard across the range?
Best wishes,
Mike.

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 11:11 pm
by DAVIDMCCULLOUGH
Not fitted as standard but used by many

http://morrisminorspares.co.uk/shop/pro ... ade4f14341

My Dad used a piece of wood kept under the carpet so it didnt look so obvious.

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 11:14 pm
by panky
Ah sorry, mine's has them so thought it was the norm.

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 12:33 am
by ASL642
Have you checked under the seats? Has the webbing that supports the seats sagged? If so new webbing (available from any morris supplier) will certainly stop you feeling like your rear is on the floor! :D

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 6:52 am
by tysonn
The OP has seats exactly like those in every moggy I've owned.I thought they were all made like that.Like a hair shirt.
Mick

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 8:14 am
by ManyMinors
I'm always staggered that owners put up with uncomfortable collapsed seats in their Minors when they can be repaired so easily. I don't find Minor seats particularly uncomfortable but I have taken mine apart and replaced the webbing straps and cushions which makes a huge difference. Otherwise it is like sitting on a bucket and having practically no back support :x

Those rubber blocks are pretty useless and wriggle about. A better solution is probably a length of wood as suggested above - either on the floor or drill holes in the bottom of the seat frame and bolt the wood to that. BUT get the seat fixed first and you probably won't need anything else. I never have.

Yes, the seats always tipped in the 4door which wasn't necessary but the passenger seat was not a folding seat which at that time it was in all the 2door models.

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 9:24 am
by tysonn
I replaced the webbing in mine and they're still c**p.
Mick

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 10:59 am
by MarkyB
There used to be a rubber diaphragm that could be used instead of the webbing, it works much better in my opinion.
Replacing the bottom two webbing straps in the seat back helps too.

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 11:26 am
by Gareth
I'd definitely recommend rebuilding the seats - new webbing straps and new foam make the world of difference. There is a diaphragm that you can buy (ESM stock it, plus others, I should imagine) which may help, but the individual straps are what was most likely there.

I've used blocks of wood beneath the back of the seat (I'm 5'7" and used to drive in a very upright fasion) but since rebuilding the seats, I found the standard position (fitted in the first set of holes, and one notch back on the adjuster) fine for my (now slightly more relaxed) driving position.

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 11:49 am
by ManyMinors
tysonn wrote:I replaced the webbing in mine and they're still c**p.
Mick
I've seldom found replacing the straps alone does the job. The base foam falls apart over time and that needs replacing too. You'll find the driving position is much improved. Better still to do the whole seat - backrest too. Transforms the driving experience :) Actually, the replacement foam bases available aren't the best anyway and I expect with some research a better more dense material could be found which would be even more supportive and longer lasting.

The rubber diaphragm mentioned above was largely used on Minis and some people prefer to use it on the Minor too. It does seem to last a bit longer. I think they were possibly used on the Police "Panda car" Minors which also had a strengthened seat frame?

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 6:35 pm
by impearse
Thanks for all the info folks. I've seen the rubber blocks for sale, not too pricey, so will give those a try. We also intend to replace the straps and foam to improve things, might do that now. One day will probably re-cover them too... one bit at a time!

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 1:48 am
by IaininTenbury
I think the rubber blocks were either a Triumph thing (seen a few on Heralds and such like) or an aftermarket extra. But as folk say, a rebuild of the seat base transforms them. The rubber diaphragms were only used as standard on Panda cars, to cope with extra Constabulary weight day in day out etc, but may be a worthwhile upgrade...

Easy enough to chuck a lump of wood under the back of the seat legs as a quick fix though. :)

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 11:24 pm
by amgrave
Hi Ian
I have replaced the knackered straps in my front seats with new straps on the backs and the rubber diaphragm on the bases then used a dense type of foam on the bases, I got them all from ESM. It has transformed the seats I can see over the bonnet now :D
Andy

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 6:53 pm
by Bungo
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Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 7:04 pm
by tysonn
Sure looks more comfy than my traveller seats.Bit too airy for me though.
Mick

Re: Front seats in a 4-door (1958)

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 9:04 pm
by GeordieDave
Treat your seat when you refurbish them - add heating elements for those colder days. Probably only suitable if you have an alternator.

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