I'm looking at a pre 1960 morris commercial (not a minor in this case, but the same situation could still apply to an early minor) which is in remarkably good condition (museum piece!) but has been off the road since 1981.
It has the old blue V5C (so no problem with reg retention or ownership change...) and MOTs dating back to 1967.
It is still taxed as PLG - so I would have to stump up to tax it . Now the tax rules have changed, and the DVLA local offices have all closed, how do I go about changing it to Historic Taxation - is it now done at the post office? As a pre 1960 its obviously MOT exempt (but I will get one when it 1st gets back on the road) - as its coming back on the road after an extended period is there paperwork that needs to be completed for the exemption to be put in place? Will I need an MOT before I can change the taxation class?
well from your post it looks like you haven't yet bought it ?? if so you will need to send off the log book( V5) to notify change of ownership.it should come back as historic but I would put a note on it just to remind them.
I recently acquired a Traveller, which was still classes as a plg tax class, on receving a new V5C there was a letter saying th\t the V5c could not be updated until the vehicle had been taxed at a post office (which also meant that the vehicle could not be sorned until this had taken place despite being in a very unroadworthy condition). So to answer your question as far as I am aware you will need to go to the post office for the vehicle to be changed to historic and this will no doubt require you to tax the vehicle then change the class and then get a refund on all the months that you did not use, leaving you out of pocket for one months worth of tax.
Should not need an MOT to change the tax class the computer will do it aslong as the vehicle is insured and is taxed. DVLA themselves as more than happy to issue tax to pre 1960 cars that are not insured or MOT'd and have been off the road for years so you should not have a problem there.
You will firstly need to change the V5 to get it updated to the new Red ones, DVLA records may not show it as it still has old type V5. Once you receive the new V5 you must then complete the parts under any changes to details and then send it back for a revised V5 to then be sent back out. Bear in mind with the new SoRN regulations once you have registered the car you must SoRN it before taxing it otherwise you take the risk of the vehicle being removed from your property, even if it is in boxes. You will need to get an MoT before putting it on the road as any historic tax exempt vehicle needs if has not been on the road or has been in storage or under restoration after the exemption came into force, this is to prove the vehicle is in a roadworthy condition. Your MoT exemption will then come into force on the date of the new MoT's expiry. After all this when you apply for Tax disc it will then come back as historic. Oh one other thing as the DVLA check the DoT MoT records and MiB data base you will need to have insurance before taxing it.
customjob wrote:Bear in mind with the new SoRN regulations once you have registered the car you must SoRN it before taxing it otherwise you take the risk of the vehicle being removed from your property, even if it is in boxes.
Not according to DVLA, they informed me that despite a change of ownership the vehicle could not be sorned because it was last on the road before the sorn was introduced.
liammonty wrote:Why don't you just phone up the DVLA and ask?
Have you tried ringing them recently? I can't remember what I wanted to know but all I could get was recorded messages!
You used to only be able to change the taxation class at the local office at the time of taxing a vehicle... hence the question
I have, which is why I suggested it! I've just had to re-register my Wolseley 6, which I imported from Guernsey. It's difficult to get through to a person, I agree, but when you do, they're normally quite helpful.
I had to change the taxatoin class on my '68 saloon last year, and used the DVLA office in Oxford just before it closed, but now that they have closed the offices, they HAVE to provide the service over the phone. I'm sure they will tell you ehat you need to know, once you get through that is Good luck.
customjob wrote: . You will need to get an MoT before putting it on the road as any historic tax exempt vehicle needs if has not been on the road or has been in storage or under restoration after the exemption came into force, this is to prove the vehicle is in a roadworthy condition. .
This has been muted a couple of times,I have scoured the dvla regs and asked the question of where this information comes from,as yet no one can direct me to the appropriate regulation Can you please ,I just don't think this is the case. Thanks
customjob wrote: . You will need to get an MoT before putting it on the road as any historic tax exempt vehicle needs if has not been on the road or has been in storage or under restoration after the exemption came into force, this is to prove the vehicle is in a roadworthy condition. .
This has been muted a couple of times,I have scoured the dvla regs and asked the question of where this information comes from,as yet no one can direct me to the appropriate regulation Can you please ,I just don't think this is the case. Thanks
Its not the case, though it would make perfect sense if it was. You can tax any old pre 60 scrapper as lang as its insured. Wether its an odd loophole or wether they just aren't concerned if anyone taxes a non roadworththy car - who knows... I tried it with one that hasn't been on the road since the 80s and it was no problem. A friend taxed his Railton that was sent to a scrapyard in 1962 and had been restoring it over the last 4 years, which was handy for doing a bit of legal road testing before it went for a volentary MOT test.
Re the orig question, the Post Offices may be able to do the taxation class change now when you go to tax it. They couldn't do that particular taxation class change when I last tried but that was last year when the DVLA offices had just closed and they hadn't got all the systems sorted yet. An ask at your PO, then if no luck phone the DVLA should sort it.
cheers
Iain
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yes Thought so,its strange how some of these ideas pop up,Due to my long past, legal employment,I don't believe anything re vehicle regulations unless I can read the legislation,sad isn't it,old habits never die.
. Now the tax rules have changed, and the DVLA local offices have all closed, how do I go about changing it to Historic Taxation - is it now done at the post office? As a pre 1960 its obviously MOT exempt (but I will get one when it 1st gets back on the road) - as its coming back on the road after an extended period is there paperwork that needs to be completed for the exemption to be put in place? Will I need an MOT before I can change the taxation class?
Good luck.