Morris Minor Owners Club

Heya

So two questions from me today everyone

So question one - what are the advantages of the oil filter conversion as I am still on my original filter

And question two - when it comes to the original filter what is the difference between the paper element filter and the original felt filter

Thank you for your help

If your not used to the original filter it has a rubber ring which sits in a groove and then you gently tighten the filter cannister against this and then carefully watch for leaks when the engine is started. The original set up is not difficult it can just be fiddly. The oil filter conversion means you can change the filter really easily and quickly, I have these on 2 of my cars.

Your very unlikely to find a felt filter in place, most will have been replaced with a throw away paper one. The old felt ones could be washed out and re used.

DAVIDMCCULLOUGH wrote:If your not used to the original filter it has a rubber ring which sits in a groove and then you gently tighten the filter cannister against this and then carefully watch for leaks when the engine is started. The original set up is not difficult it can just be fiddly. The oil filter conversion means you can change the filter really easily and quickly, I have these on 2 of my cars.

Your very unlikely to find a felt filter in place, most will have been replaced with a throw away paper one. The old felt ones could be washed out and re used.

Haha yeah I've serviced many cars but non with this filter, is that all it is then better sealing and easier to change? Thought there would have been more to it

And ahhh right ok did wonder if the Felt one could be washed, well I have had Norma for nearly two weeks and should really do full service and full fluids change so ill think bout doing the conversion thanks for your help David

I converted my 1970 Traveller to spin on after struggling for over an hour to refit the original equipment. The rubber sealing ring is seriously fiddly as it is too large for the groove it goes in. Had to get the wife to do mine as she has more patience. With the OE you also need all the washers etc or it will leak. Fitting the conversion is the best thing I've done.

There are two sizes of sealing ring that fit into the top housing dependent upon what top housing is fitted.
When working in the BMC garage I have changed 100s of filters with the felt type element and never had any problem with the seal in the top housing or the bottom seal.
I agree that the spin off filter is easier to do. Go for the largest spin on filter you can find. I have used Ford ones on the spin off filter housing WIX WL7077 or equivalent gives approx 50% extra filtering capacity than the canister filter supplied with the kit. Spin off filters/housings fitted to later Midgets/Sprites if you can find one.
Happy motoring

I've never heard of the idea that felt filters could be washed out and reused! I'm guessing the 'washing' would 'matt' the felt and the filter would then be totally blocked - and all the oil going round the bypass! That of course is IF the plate and spring are still present - many are lost, and owners happily keep changing the element without plate/spring present - and therefore no effective filter in the circuit. So for that reason only I suggest if there is any doubt - go for a screw0on conversion. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with the standard paper filter - same one is used on my 2 litre TR 7 !! My Ford diesel also uses a replaceable paper element now - cunning mounted upside down high on the block - and when the cover is unscrewed a drain hole is uncovered and the oil trapped in the filter drains down into the sump! So - it's an easy non-dirty job to change the filter - only snag is that it can't be pre-filled with oil before fitting.

Offshore wrote:I converted my 1970 Traveller to spin on after struggling for over an hour to refit the original equipment. The rubber sealing ring is seriously fiddly as it is too large for the groove it goes in. Had to get the wife to do mine as she has more patience. With the OE you also need all the washers etc or it will leak. Fitting the conversion is the best thing I've done.

Haha oh so it really is easier to change then think I may have to do the conversion then

The rubber ring is dead easy - just make sure the old ring is removed - then stick the new one in place with a smear of grease. Simples!

philthehill wrote:There are two sizes of sealing ring that fit into the top housing dependent upon what top housing is fitted.
When working in the BMC garage I have changed 100s of filters with the felt type element and never had any problem with the seal in the top housing or the bottom seal.
I agree that the spin off filter is easier to do. Go for the largest spin on filter you can find. I have used Ford ones on the spin off filter housing WIX WL7077 or equivalent gives approx 50% extra filtering capacity than the canister filter supplied with the kit. Spin off filters/housings fitted to later Midgets/Sprites if you can find one.
Happy motoring

Oh really I why don't they supply the ford filter with the kit then if it still fits and gives better filtration

bmcecosse wrote:I've never heard of the idea that felt filters could be washed out and reused! I'm guessing the 'washing' would 'matt' the felt and the filter would then be totally blocked - and all the oil going round the bypass! That of course is IF the plate and spring are still present - many are lost, and owners happily keep changing the element without plate/spring present - and therefore no effective filter in the circuit. So for that reason only I suggest if there is any doubt - go for a screw0on conversion. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with the standard paper filter - same one is used on my 2 litre TR 7 !! My Ford diesel also uses a replaceable paper element now - cunning mounted upside down high on the block - and when the cover is unscrewed a drain hole is uncovered and the oil trapped in the filter drains down into the sump! So - it's an easy non-dirty job to change the filter - only snag is that it can't be pre-filled with oil before fitting.

Well I know many cars like e type jags and other classics the air filter can just be cleaned if soaked in petrol overnight but the way fuel prices are these days it's probly cheaper to just buy a new filter but not sure if its the same story for oil filters

And yeah I think I will go for the conversion just seemed a bit expensive really £30 to upgrade something just to make it a bit easier to change but I think I will go for it

And ahhh yes I've serviced many of them filter types very easy to do just a pain to get the rubber O-rings off the housing

If you can find a mini in a scrap yard you could rob it of the filter, bring the pipe as well. Of course theres not that many scappy's left that will let you go in with your tool box and screw bits off!

Moggy blue
I did not say that you get better filtration but that you get more filter area for your money so consequently the more crap it will catch. The spin off filter kit supplied by (will remain nameless) includes FRAM filter Pt No: PH966B which is 91mm overall length. The WIX filter quoted above is 120mm overall length. The WIX filter is equivalent to the FRAM PH5803 which is 125mm overall length x 76mm dia.
Of course the smaller the filter the smaller the unit cost to the supplier.
The PH966B, PH5803 and WIX filter WL7077 securing thread is 3/4" x 16 TPI so it is easy to mix and match your requirements.
See
http://www.fram-europe.com/en/catalogue ... logue.html
For details/sizes etc.

I don't see the problem with an orginial oil filter set up. Slacken bolt, remove bowl, empty out old oil, clean out bowl and internal components, insert new filter, remove seal, fit new seal, fill bowl with new 20/50, offer bowl up to housing and tighten bolt. Five minute job, simples

Exactly! It works fine and new elements are inexpensive. But you must make sure the spring and plate are present, or it's doing nothing. In that sense the screw on filter conversion is 'fool proof' and so is worthy of consideration if in any doubt about the old installation.

Well I know many cars like e type jags and other classics the air filter can just be cleaned if soaked in petrol overnight but the way fuel prices are these days it's probly cheaper to just buy a new filter

The old "oil bath" air filters were fine in their day, but the modern pleated paper ones do a better job of filtering the air and that equates to longer engine life.

Only the old wire mesh air filters could be washed out. Although the modern performance filters can also be washed - and re-oiled.

philthehill wrote:Moggy blue
I did not say that you get better filtration but that you get more filter area for your money so consequently the more crap it will catch. The spin off filter kit supplied by (will remain nameless) includes FRAM filter Pt No: PH966B which is 91mm overall length. The WIX filter quoted above is 120mm overall length. The WIX filter is equivalent to the FRAM PH5803 which is 125mm overall length x 76mm dia.
Of course the smaller the filter the smaller the unit cost to the supplier.
The PH966B, PH5803 and WIX filter WL7077 securing thread is 3/4" x 16 TPI so it is easy to mix and match your requirements.
See
http://www.fram-europe.com/en/catalogue ... logue.html
For details/sizes etc.

Well overtime I guess you would as the filter clogs up overtime the bigger filters still have more surface area free to filter and oh right

And yeah smaller units can make it cheaper but also if the item is very popular it can be cheaper to produce therefore hopefully making it cheaper our end

bmcecosse wrote:Only the old wire mesh air filters could be washed out. Although the modern performance filters can also be washed - and re-oiled.

Ahhhh right that's what I'm thinking then