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Betsy Belle's engine doesn't look like a 948cc.... and has a number which I can't identify! Can anyone help? The number is RKM 1104E 8056.

OK, so maybe I don't know how to post pictures either. It should be on this URL: http://www.ofoto.com/PhotoView.jsp?&col ... 6128754606

Oh, it's just worked! I wonder how that happened....

Isn't it a 1098?

Willie or one of the grown ups will tell you, I haven't got the right book.
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bigginger wrote:Isn't it a 1098?

It looks 1098 ish, but then the engine number would be 10MA etc, wouldn't it?

I don't know, I'm afraid, don't think it can be a 1275 with that carb/air filter, but might be wrong! Can't see the oil filter, which is the only way I (but not everyone) can ID them. PS Put some pics on other post for you.

Cannot make sense of that engine number. The only reference to
an 'R' which I can find denotes a Riley engine!! look below the
exhaust manifold on the engine block at the front near the front engine mount.
you should see a small round plate with the engine size on it (1100,etc).
Have looked at your pic now and it certainly looks like a 1098, it has
the 1098 air filter at least. does the engine number in the log book
match the actual engine number? It is quite common to find a
later type engine has been fitted, have a look underneath at the gear
box, if it has ribs on the casing instead of being smooth then you have
a 1098 gearbox too!

How strange... Riley didn't use the inline 1098, did they, only the transverse and I thought that they were different, and required a lot of work to make 'em fit... Could it be a Bronze / Silver / Gold-seal engine, perhaps? It might not always have been green, or am I talking nonsense??

It may have been modded by the same person who fitted two horns.


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Well spotted on the horns.... they sound rather good. I have no history with the car at all unfortunately, and the person I bought her from had no idea about the engine. The log book says 948cc and the engine number doesn't match.

The closest engine number I've been able to find is this one: RKM1103E Silver seal 998cc Cooper so your guess may not be far off Gareth!

I couldn't look for the round plate in the engine because it was too dark this morning..... hopefully my Dad will have a chance to look in daylight because he's taken Betsy to work with him today.

I can't get that picture to work??? Any chance someone else could post it on here??

Ta da! *fanfare*



PS are the horns two tone, ready to go into the Panda car?
Much bigger version (about 400k) here - http://www.nogginthemog.com/images/e_bay_fractals.jpg - if it's any use.
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Cheers Andrew.

Well........ it's not a 1275 that's for sure!!

The rocker cover looks like a 1098 version as does the air filter. But the coolant pipe is in th 948 position.

My guess is that it's a 948 car that has had a later 1098 fitted.

The only way to find out (quickly and easily) is to drive it!!

Agree with Cam its definatly not a 1275, and its also got a 1098cc heater valve fitted but there does not look like there is a cable fitted to it perhaps why the heater does not work as its in the closed position, also the lights are from a later car as well so it has had a few mods. Also where did you get the engine number from ?

Weren't there at least 2 types of heater valve anyhow? None of the 1098's I've got lying around have a cable fitted, you just 'unscrew' the knob so that hot water flows. I reckon everything points to it being a later 1098. Out of interest, is it an original logbook that says it's a 948? All of mine say 10000cc, something to do with them being exempt from modern emissions regs, I guessed.

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Weren't there at least 2 types of heater valve anyhow?

Yes a Gate Valve type on the the 948cc and the 1098cc had a cable operated one as shown in on Lynda`s engine that should be operated via a cable to a pull switch under the dash.

Hmm - better go out and inspect!

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The engine number came from the bit painted in the darkest colour green.

It is a modern V5 that says 948cc.

I don't really know how this sort of heater works, as all of my previous cars have had the late type heater fitted. There is a pull switch under the dash, which we tried pulling and nothing happened.

The engine number should be stamped on a little plate (riveted to the engine block) just in front of the cylinder head, below spark plug number 1 (nearest the radiator). Is this where you meant??

Sorry, going a bit off topic -


The first is the sort Lynda has, isn't it? It doesn't seem to have any provision for a cable. The second does seem to have provision for same - I've not fitted the engine yet, but it never had a cable while I've had it, both in (briefly) and out of the car. Which one's early then, and which late? Or am I just harping on about the wrong valve?
A bit puzzled
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The one on the left is the early type ( 918 (but without the base), 803 and 948 ). The one on the right is the late 1098 type but it looks abit mangled in that picture. Do you have a better one showing the cable attachment?