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Timing.....again.
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 4:35 pm
by bluegrass
I'm messing around with the timing on my 1098. I have fitted a powerspark ignition kit and a reconditioned vacuum advance, and am setting the timing. I understand the advance till pinking method, but cant seem to get it to pink, or at least i dont hear it.
My questions are:
1) If checking timing with a strobe light, should the vacuum advance be connected or not, and if not do i need to block the vacuum pipe in some way or not?
2) Best tick-over (Or at least faster tickover) seems to be 10btc or higher....I'm assuming that's too high?
Thanks for any advice.
Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 5:00 pm
by GBond
As you I can't hear pinking ever. What I did was start at around 6 btc and leave it there; before every drive I'm advancing about 5 clicks until the car performs as I want it to. I'm guessing it's going to be around 7-9 btdc and yes, leave everything connected when using the strobe light and check that the idle is slow enough.
Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:07 pm
by bmcecosse
Miracle engines that don't pink !

Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:51 pm
by MarkyB
I recently had a very similar experience to Bluegrass, fitted a new electronic dizzy then couldn't provoke it to pink, managed to provoke a leak from the head gasket in the attempt
Maybe they are sneakily adding knock sensors these days?
Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:45 pm
by bmcecosse
My engine rattles like marbles in a can if I move it even slightly towards advance.......
Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 9:14 pm
by Trickydicky
bmcecosse wrote:My engine rattles like marbles in a can if I move it even slightly towards advance.......
Could that be down to the 018" thou valve gaps Roy?

Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 9:57 pm
by les
----small ends I reckon.

Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:28 pm
by chesney
Or those overly large 'bin lid' Wolseley drums vibrating against the backplate

Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 11:16 pm
by chickenjohn
Hi Ivor,
drive down to me and I'll set the timing for you! No charge.
Pinking is easy to recognise once you get used to the sound.
cheers
John
Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:24 pm
by alexandermclaren
S
chesney wrote:Or those overly large 'bin lid' Wolseley drums vibrating against the backplate


Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:51 pm
by bluegrass
Thanks for the posts, and thanks for the offer John, I'll be in touch..
My lack of pinking recognition 'experience' gave me an idea: This may be a good opportunity to produce the Cd "Worrying Sounds of the Morris Minor"
that contains classic Morris problems and the tell-tale sounds associated with them? It could be a winner

Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:56 am
by kennatt
or a loose coil

Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:20 pm
by bmcecosse
Very poor compression can mean 'no pinking'.......

Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:18 am
by MarkyB
Interesting point, it has this head fitted;[frame]

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It can pink, but that may only be when running on French petrol.
Other than that it pulls like a train

Re: Timing.....again.
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:34 pm
by bmcecosse
That's a standard 998 Mini 'unleaded' head (pssst..it's not really unleaded - but it does have better quality exhaust valves...still set 15 thou gap!) - with the small inlet valves - same as the 948 head. If it's on a 1098 engine it will have raised the CR slightly.....which should promote pinking!! However the downside is that the smaller valves and poor flow through the ports will more than wash out any power gained from the raised CR...