Morris Minor Owners Club

Hi

I hear there are two methods of fitting heaters on 1952 models.

I am getting mind boggled at differing opinions as to which is the most effective way of doing it and how much it should cost.

Gold coloured heater [matches dashboard] is being supplied.
Need to find a rheostat tho'.

There is currently no water pump, just the plate.

I've been told one method is to fit a water pump and with the other method you don't.

Has anyone and experience of both techniques please?

My toes are froze -- wimp

Many thanks

Chrissie

1952 Series MM, 918cc side valve, 4 door saloon, split screen, spoilt monster...

hi squiggle
i think that a pump will need to be fitted to your side valve.
i am sure the thermo sypthon effect will work but it will take a while to warm the inside of the morris. another problem may be an air lock to the heater. it sits much higher then the water level in the engine so water will not naturaly run up to the heater. you can try filling with pouring water directly into the heater pipe, and connecting, but yuo still may get an air lock. w pump is the way to go, lots of hot water to the heater.
the missing switch, you could just fit an on/off type un till you find the reostat type.

the thermosyphton effect on the side valve is amazing. on the hottest of days in the maddest of londons traffic, and the engine still does not miss a beat, or stress the fuel pump with that dreaded cutting out. wonderful.

I think what Chrissie was getting at is that you can either fit a water pump to the engine or have a separate one driven via a belt. You are of course totally correct about the heater not getting any water 'up-hill' so if you need a heater then you need a pump!!

And the thermosyphon is amazing that it works so well!! I think all Morris cars used this method until about 1950 so it seems to work!!!

It would be interesting to see which engine is fitted into Chrissie's car as the waterpump sidevalves were fitted from about 1950 to 1953, so her 1952 should have a waterpump already fitted, unless it has had a replacment (earlier) engine at some point.

[quote="Cam"]I think what Chrissie was getting at is that you can either fit a water pump to the engine or have a separate one driven via a belt.

what??? isnt one fitted to the engine the same as one driven by the fan belt???

There are two types. One fitted to the engine (bolted to the block) and a separate one. The separate ones were used to install a heater before the waterpump model came out (pre '50). It sits on the left hand side of the engine bolted to the tie plate (engine bay floor) and runs from a pulley driven from the engine via a vee belt. The ones I have seen were made by Smiths.

The water pump model has a water pump in the normal place driven in the usual way via the fanbelt and so does not need an external pump.

The ones I have seen were made by Smiths.

i bet there difficult to find?
ive never seen one

Yeah, they ARE difficult to find. I have only seen a few on my travels.

Have you got a picture?

Chrissie as you are in Bucks it could be worth giving Bert Draper of Minor Medics a call he might have what you need, he is based in Castlethorpe, nr Milton Keynes. 01908 510736

Matt wrote:Have you got a picture?

Unfortunately not! But the pulley looks like a smaller version of the pulley on the back of a washing machine!

Unfortunately not!

hey squiggle i am planning to take out the original heater from my '53.. round gold one from smiths..may be of use to you?

Hey thanks for the responses.

I must get the photos of my engine to Cam to see if it has been replaced with an earlier one.

Chrissie aka Squiggle

1952 Series MM, 918cc side valve, 4 door saloon, split screen, spoilt monster...

Recently 'wounded' in a supermarked car park [rear wing crunched]!

No note left

Visiting the 'Medics' of Castlethorpe for repair.

Recently 'wounded' in a supermarked car park [rear wing crunched]!

No note left

Well, I'm sorry to hear about the 'crunch' Chrissie, but I'm not surprised about them not leaving a note. Happened to me a fair few times when parking in patrolled CCTV camera'd university car parks. When I went to get a look at the CCTV tape it was either not working, no tape in or the camera was not pointing in that direction!!

I guess some folks are just bad drivers and not very nice

I do hope it was the old wing and not one of the new ones...........

Cam wrote:Well, I'm sorry to hear about the 'crunch' Chrissie, but I'm not surprised about them not leaving a note. Happened to me a fair few times when parking in patrolled CCTV camera'd university car parks. When I went to get a look at the CCTV tape it was either not working, no tape in or the camera was not pointing in that direction!!

I guess some folks are just bad drivers and not very nice

I do hope it was the old wing and not one of the new ones...........

Ah you guys are sympathetic. Ta.

HUT was booked in for both wings to be replaced next week!

So, if this had happened a few weeks time I'd be well

Timing eh? - maybe there is a St Moggy looking over us!

I am calling on Footman James for my first ever insurance claim.

Gonna have to call him HUT. Says in dictionary 'Small house or shelter'!
It was HUT or Rimmer [Rimma?].

1952 Series MM, 918cc side valve, 4 door saloon, split screen, spoilt monster...

Chrissie its so annoying when other drivers do that.
I assume your damage was for one of the wings you were going to have done.

Kevin wrote:Chrissie its so annoying when other drivers do that.
I assume your damage was for one of the wings you were going to have done.

Luckily [?] it is. Maybe I should go and park the other way round and get them to wound that side as well.

Not funny really. Some people are thoughtless.

Will think more about where I park in future even if it means walking!

Chrissie n HUT

1952 Series MM, 918cc side valve, 4 door saloon, split screen, spoilt monster...

Unlucky Chrissie

when parking in patrolled CCTV camera'd university car parks. When I went to get a look at the CCTV tape it was either not working, no tape in or the camera was not pointing in that direction!!

exactly the situation when the fiesta got broken into.....

"Its just a step to the left, then a jump to the right"

Country dancing Dan?