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Clutch Release Bearing and Fork

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:51 am
by tds
Hi Everybody,
About to attempt a hydraulic clutch conversion with a midget ribbed gearbox to my 948cc convertible (1961). I have a 1098 flywheel and clutch in my parts bin. My question...is the release bearing and fork arm from the midget the same as the Moggie? I have the midget fork arm but no release bearing.

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:32 am
by Kevin
1st things first what size engine did the MG gearbox come from, also the Midget clutch is nomally a size smaller than the Morris one, in the case of the 1275cc engine I think its 6 1/2" compared to 7 1/4" also the flywheels are different sizes, also I am not sure what else needs changing when fitted to a 948cc engine and which flywheel / clutch combination to use.

Not sure on Midget engine

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:00 pm
by tds
Kevin,
thanks for the questions...all good. I picked up the box at british car parts swap meet here in Oregon. The seller had no idea of the Midget/Sprite vehicle but...the box is almost identical in the guts to my Morris smooth case box. So i assumed it is the early spridget. the input shaft to the box matches the Morris 1098 clutch disc just fine. So I think I'm OK there.
Of course from a spridget it has hydraulic clutch and that means the relase fork pokes out the RHS of the box, NOT lhs for my mechanical clutch. hence I plan the upgrade to hydraulic clutch. But the release arm fork is my unknown. :-?
Seems to make sense to go big clutch from 1098 the correct flywheel mated to my 948cc??

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:36 am
by gcb
A simple answer for you - the fork arms are different, the midget has more "curve" to contact the flatter midget clutch which is a diphragm type, unlike the moggie one which is spring. With your engine you will have to fit the moggie clutch so you will need a moggie arm. I have one if you are desperate, but not sure about getting it to you!

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:00 pm
by tds
Many thanks gcb
I do have Moggie LHD release forks from a smooth case box. But never owned a ribbed box. Do you know if they are the same?
Many thanks for the offer I'am visting family in Brum during Mid-August. i suppose I have to check if the pivot on the front cover of my midget box is Ok for a moggie arm.

Trevor

Morris vs Midget Clutch arm + the rest

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:52 am
by tds
Well, checked dims on midget arm and front cover with the morris smooth case and their all different. MOWOG made subtle differences which I never spotted. I noted:
1. The curve on the fork arm is more for the morris than midget
2. The pivot point is further out from 1st motion shaft on midget
3. Front cover differences, 3 of 5 studs in different places and pivot is higher from face of box.
So
If my midget box , 22G121, fits only the midget front cover, 22G18, I have to use the midget fork arm,GA15?, and thus release bearing for a hydraulic clutch conversion.

Can anyone tell me if the release bearing postion means I MUST use a midget diaphram clutch on the flywheel? Then what flywheel does the midget clutch fit? My 948 flywheel or 1098 flywheel.
Thanks in advance.
Trevor

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:54 pm
by Matt
Well spridgets used 3 different sized a series.... and presumably all the boxes are slightly different..... Have you got a place by the gear stick to screw a reversing light switch in?

The answer for Matt

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:09 am
by tds
Matt,
Sorry late repsonding..been out of town.
In all respects the remote housing looks identical to the smooth morris case . It has number 2A3411
Does this help?

Trevor