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damper oil

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:43 am
by cadetchris
decided to improve Primrose's dampers with the addition of SAE 30 or 40 oil into them, but from where does on get it from?

i have tried halfrauds but i just get junk like 10w and other "w" related stuff and nothing with an SAE rating. any ideas?

Re: damper oil

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:04 am
by taupe
Hi

Just type sae 30 into ebay you will see lots there and a clue as to what shops to try, its nearly all for lawnmower engines or motorcycle forks :D :D

Taupe

Re: damper oil

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:32 am
by bmcecosse
Tesco garden section has SAE 30 in a handy small pack. SAE 40 from a motorcycle shop, probably. Don't be fobbed off with 'fork oil'.........

Re: damper oil

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:18 pm
by cadetchris
got some sae 30 lawmower oil from B&Q, bit of a faff to empty the dampers and then refill. but good god the difference is noticable in just pushing the car up and down

Re: damper oil

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:58 pm
by bmcecosse
Of course it is !! :lol:

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:16 pm
by horrace
whats the difference? how does the viscosity affect it? not sure what ive got in mine but ride is hard

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:45 pm
by bmcecosse
'Hard' ride is usually caused by the suspension hitting the bump stops. Is there good clearance between stops and chassis ? Even with more viscous oil in the dampers - the Minor suspension is still nicely 'compliant' - it just doesn't bounce about like a super ball quite so much!

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:24 pm
by horrace
just to confirm this is the front dampers we are talking about, dont saloons and travellers have rear dampers aswell?
i have a pick up so have shocks on the back, which afre not really adjustable, ive proably got 3 in 1 in the front dampers

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:35 pm
by bmcecosse
Well - 3 in 1 is very definitely far too low viscosity ('thin').

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:11 pm
by horrace
som how would that affect it?

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:37 pm
by chrisryder
pour some oil through a funnel. then pour some water through a funnel.

come back and tell me which one empties quickest.

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:51 pm
by bmcecosse
The dampers work by squirting oil through tiny calibrated holes in the valves. Low viscosity ('thin') oil squirts through easily - high viscosity ('thick') oil less so - but of course, there are reliefs built in, so there is a limit to how much harder you can make the damper work, unless you also beef-up the relief valve setting of course.

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:07 pm
by horrace
thank you bmecosse for your useful explanation of how it works, i had no idea.
and chris your glib comments do nothing to help or educate me so dont bother next time

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:59 pm
by bmcecosse
I'm sure Chris meant well with his explanation - it amounts to the same thing........

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:40 pm
by chrisryder
sorry for the glib comments. won't happen again.

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:45 pm
by chrisryder
hang on, it wasn't a glib comment.

it was a practical explaination of how viscosity affects flow.

...albeit portrayed in a glib way.

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:50 am
by horrace
apology accepted

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:31 am
by Dean Moriarty
I was looking to top up my dampers and came across this thread.
I have 0/30 oil for my Honda. I'm assuming the 30 is the SAE rating so will this be ok to use?
Is there a facility to drain the old oil in the damper before topping up but without removing the damper from the car?
I'm assuming mixing the oils be a problem?

Thanks

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:02 pm
by cadetchris
there is the drain plug at the bottom, if you whip that off, place a suitable jar underneath and bounce the car up and down a bit, it should flush the old oil out.
refill and bounce a bit more to get the air bubbles out and enjoy the new stiffness of the damper

Re: damper oil

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:14 pm
by bmcecosse
NO!!! 0/30 oil is effectively 0 SAE - so will be worse than useless in the dampers! Buy a small tin of SAE 30 from Tesco - it's not expensive.