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Piston rings?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:27 am
by rio678
Hi everyone
My head gasket blew the other day back from the shops, managed to nurse it home for 2 miles (started to pink quite badly under load)
It had blown between 1 & 2, managed to sort that all out, since putting it back together it has started puffing blue smoke

When started the engine idles cleanly, when revved it smokes then clears if you hold the revs then soon as you idle and rev again it smokes.
Taken the head off once again, replaced the stem seals. I did turn over the engine by hand a few times and noticed a small amount of oil collects at the top of the cylinders. Also the pistons can be moved left to right slightly in the bores. I am assuming it might be the rings that have gone?
If that's the case how on earth do I tell if they are standard or oversized, it's a 1098cc engine.
Thank you in advance

Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:18 am
by chrisryder
if you clean up the top face of one of the pistons you should be able to see if it says '010' or '020'. oddly i did have an engine that said '0.508' which transpired to be a metric value equivalent to 20 thou. if it says STD it's standard, or if there is no mention of 010 or 020 etc then it suggests it's standard too. you would find a bit of movement in pistons in the bore, but i'm not sure how much is permissible.
hindsight is a wonderfull thing, but it could have been worthwhile to do a compression test before removing the head to see which bore it could be. are all the plugs the same colour?
Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:04 am
by rio678
Yep plugs are all the same colour... All were very very slightly oily
I know should have done a comp test

, don't wish to put it all back together only to find I will have to replace the piston rings
Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:30 pm
by Chris Edgar
Use a piece of plastic or similar to scrape off the carbon. Don't use metal or you will damage the piston faces & may destroy the indented stamping which tells you the size.
Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:46 pm
by rio678
Okay I have the following on the pistons
M2007
M25 one says M26
3 with a v underneath it (same on the face of the block) and MOWOG

Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:03 pm
by bmcecosse
Just measure the bores. May not be worthwhile fitting new rings - complete new pistons don't cost that much more - so a rebore may be the best way forward. You should NOT have driven the car 2 miles with the blown gasket - it may have scoured the block and/or head where it was blasting through the gap...........
Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:23 pm
by rio678
Well it was hardly easy for me to tell what had happened at the time unfortunately
There is no scoring or damage that I can see to the block or head.
Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:02 pm
by rio678
60mm on each bore, I am guessing this is standard for a 1098?
Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:07 pm
by bmcecosse
Errrr - No! 2.543" is the standard bore size = 64.58mm.
Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:16 pm
by rio678
hmmm perhaps I am measuring it wrong

Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:46 am
by MarkyB
Probably, "Just measure the bores" makes it sound easy, which it isn't as you are looking for thousandths of an inch.
Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:32 am
by bmcecosse
Aye - but 4.58mm diffrence is not just a few thou! A digital caliper will easily tell the size near enough to decide if it's been overbored.
Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:56 pm
by rio678
I have now honed out the bores ready for the pistons to go back in, what method of cleaning does anyone recommend for cleaning the bores after honing?
Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:20 pm
by bmcecosse
Wash with paraffin or diesel oil.
Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:16 pm
by rayofleamington
What did you find witht he pistons out?
Also did you measure the ring gaps on the old rings and how bad were they?
Re: Piston rings?
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:26 pm
by rio678
rings were worn, bores were surprisingly in good nick, a hone and it was nice and smooth. Measured ring gaps in cylinders and all were within tolerance
All back together now and running once again!
