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Engine numbers

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:59 pm
by Trog
I'v done some homework and found a list of engine codes on the intermaweb but nothing seems to match what I have on my engine :(
Looking from the front of the car, on the left upper face of the block is stamped 4112. What looks to be an alloy tag on the lower right front of the block is embossed 1100. at the rear right of the block is cast 12A497, under that is RMG then 23758132A.

Can anyone crack the code on this one for me?? :-?

P.S what is MOWOG?

Re: Engine numbers

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:25 pm
by PSL184
Sounds like a reconditioned 1098cc engine. The engine number will only make any sense to the company who reconditioned it and it will not follow normal (factory) number convention.....

Re: Engine numbers

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:51 pm
by bmcecosse
It's a 1098 - that's really all you need to know!
MOWOG = MOrrisWOlseleyMG Yes - it should maybe be MOWOMG :oops:

Re: Engine numbers

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:16 pm
by fussyoldfart
bmcecosse wrote:It's a 1098 - that's really all you need to know!
MOWOG = MOrrisWOlseleyMG Yes - it should maybe be MOWOMG :oops:
I didn't know that! ... and I use to work for them.

Darrell

Re: Engine numbers

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:27 pm
by PSL184
fussyoldfart wrote:
bmcecosse wrote:It's a 1098 - that's really all you need to know!
MOWOG = MOrrisWOlseleyMG Yes - it should maybe be MOWOMG :oops:
I didn't know that! ... and I use to work for them.

Darrell
I thought it was MOrris&WOlseleyGarages? as MG was MorrisGarages anyways.......?

Re: Engine numbers

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:31 pm
by PSL184
Just Googled it and found this.....

The Origins of MoWoG
Firstly what an earth am I talking about?

'MoWoG' was moulded in to many castings used in MG, Austin and Morris engines over many years. And speculation, not to say argument, is rife amongst MG aficionados as to what it means.

Some say 'MoWoG' is the name of a god that has to be appeased with many offerings of fluids and expensive new parts, otherwise 'he' (or more probably 'she') will cause breakdowns at most inopportune moments.

Others say it was a joke by a foreman in the casting shop many years ago, knowing that it would plague owners for years to come.

The truth is a little more prosaic - it probably represents the merger of MG and Wolseley into Morris Motors and the use of common parts from that point. Most agree that the 'Mo' stands for 'Morris' and the 'Wo' for 'Wolseley'. But that still leaves plenty of room for argument as to what the 'G' stands for.

Clausager, in his essential bible on the MGB - Original MGB - mentions in passing that it stands for 'MG'. A spokesman for BMIHT in the first issue of their magazine answered the specific question by categorically stating that it stood for 'Group'. However he then went on to say 'But why would anyone want to know?' which in my opinion casts immediate doubt on his credentials, and even his right to be part of BMIHT!

For my part, I am now firmly in the 'MG' camp. Not because of a loyal desire for it to be so, but through a study of the evidence. The source of the greater part of this evidence is David Knowles incredibly detailed book - MG The Untold Story. David relates how Wolseley and MG were owned personally by Lord Nuffield until he was convinced to merge it with Morris Motors in 1935. He also states that, once part of Morris Motors and all design was being carried out at Cowley, the chassis and engine number prefixes and suffixes for Wolseley variants were 'W' and for MG were 'G'. It doesn't take much of a leap of faith to assume that 'M' was already being used by Morris (hence the 'G' for MG since there wasn't much choice for anything else). I would also say it would be extremely unlikely for someone to go to the bother of devising a 'logo' to mark the merger of Wolseley and Morris but to ignore MG which was merged at the same time. Finally, there never was a 'Morris Wolseley Group' as an organisation, just 'Morris Motors Ltd'.

I rest my case, M'Lud.

Re: Engine numbers

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:33 pm
by MarkyB
I thought it was MOrris WOlseley Group.
A quick look on t'internet suggests Morris-Wolesley Garages.

My favourite definition is;
"Some say 'MoWoG' is the name of a
god that has to be appeased with many
offerings of fluids and expensive new
parts otherwise 'he' (or more probably
'she') will cause breakdowns at most
inopportune moments."

Re: Engine numbers

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:08 pm
by mike.perry
The was also Formoco and Stanpart by other companies whose origins should be obvious

Re: Engine numbers

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:43 pm
by bmcecosse
Isn't it just FOMOCO ?

Re: Engine numbers

Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:19 am
by taupe
The RMG engine prefixes were I believe used on the replacement service exchange silver and gold seal engines

Re: Engine numbers

Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:43 pm
by Trog
Type Mowog and Google images comes up with a picture of "Grizzy Adams!!" :-?