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new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:12 am
by john@theforge
Hi Guys, Doing some welding for a friend on his 2 door, I am going to start with the crossmember but not sure how much welding i need to do. Generally I stick to the fully welded rule with repairs but it doesn't seem sensible to weld right around the crossmember

So basically looking for pics of your new crossmember or advice from the experts.

thanks

John

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:32 am
by bmcecosse
I asked similarly recently - and there are lots of replies. But basically - it's spot welded across the tunnel section - through the arch of the tunnel - and then stitch welded on both sides to the floors - and of course pretty much fully welded to the chassis legs where it meets them. Post up some pics as you go along please! I'm still dreading doing this job. :roll:

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:45 am
by chickenjohn
I've luckily never had to do a crossmember myself, however, there is an excellent how to article in the Rob Thommasson club technical manual. Well worth buying if you don't already have this book.

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:13 pm
by john@theforge
Thanks guys, Will check out the article and post some pics as I go.

John

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:52 pm
by bmcecosse
Is this 'technical manual' available on line anywhere ??

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:57 pm
by MarkyB
I should hope not, it's current, not the original.

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:49 am
by john@theforge
I should hope not, it's current, not the original.


How can I get access to the article then?

J

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:26 am
by MarkyB
From regalia probably.

Here are the contents;http://www.mmoc.org.uk/index.php?page=347

MMOC members can e-mail, fax, snail-mail or phone MMOC Technical Advisor Rob Thomasson with any technical question for free. See your copy of Minor Matters or Rob's section in the Members Area.

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:27 am
by LouiseM
The technical tips manual is available on CD from regalia: http://www.mmoc.org.uk/index.php?key=Regalia&id=49

There were some hard copy manuals for sale at the National rally but these were sold quickly and I don't know if there are any more left in stock. Regaliaqueen will be able to advise.

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:20 am
by ASL642
Well I did have a boxful of old stock manuals (Tech Tips in paperback- not workshop) but sold them all. These deal with the maintenace/sevicing of the car - not welding.

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:16 pm
by john@theforge
found and ordered. Thanks for the assistance.

John

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:29 am
by LouiseM
I'm not sure that 'technical tips' is the same as the 'technical manual' that chickenjohn was referring to. Lou has advised that 'technical tips' covers maintenance & servicing, not welding, so I'm not sure that the CD will help with your cross member problem. Perhaps chickenjohn can confirm where he got his manual from, and when, or you could contact Rob Thomasson directly?

This thread might be useful for pics: http://www.mmoc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f= ... eplacement

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:56 am
by john@theforge
This thread might be useful for pics: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29899&hilit=cross+member+replacement
and it was. That was just what i needed know thanks.

Sure the tech tips cd will come in useful at some point.

Thanks John

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:39 am
by chickenjohn
regaliaqueen wrote:Well I did have a boxful of old stock manuals (Tech Tips in paperback- not workshop) but sold them all. These deal with the maintenace/sevicing of the car - not welding.
Not quite right! On page 13:2 of my technical tips manual Rob Thomasson has written an excellent step by step guide to crossmember replacement. There are a few other welding guides in that chapter as well.

EDIT,mine is the Technical manual, 2nd edition. I bought it from the club about 12 years ago!

On the inside it says Welcome to the new Morris Minor technical tips manual. So as far as I know, the technical manual and technical tips manual and the CD (I also bought the CD) are one and the same, possibly just updates of each other with new articles added.

Re: new crossmember (fully welded?)

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:13 am
by john@theforge
Update.... In the end it turned out to need a full new floor, sills and rear wheel arches. Plus to many little bits to count at the moment.

Given I am fully welding the floors I will fully weld the crossmember as well. Should keep a bit better with all the damp traps filled up.

Pics at http://www.flickr.com/photos/fairleyforge


We have the technology, we can rebuild it.

J