body panel help

[ohc_turbo]

Hi

I am having trouble identifying all the panels that i need to restore my moggy, i have been up to ESM and got a few but i'm in need of identifying the rest to buy to finish the welding get it rolling chassis and onto the next phase of the project, i wonder if anyone can help me out as i don't want to get wrong panels and fork out more ££ than i have to.

Ps theres not that many so wont be too much deciphering

if i take pictures of the affected areas with me pointing with a breif description of its condtion can anyone help figure out what i need

cheers

[chickenjohn]

Go ahead, post the pictures!

[ohc_turbo]

thanks well here goes

1. this is the right hand side rear side section, its blown through near the wheel arch but it hasnt seem to go anywhere else (the cill seems fine underneath, it seems that its had a bit of gob in there if you go along the panel



2. this is the right hand side rear arch, seems the panel is fine but gone in places where the arch bolts too?



3.this is the same rear arch pic taken from the outside (obviously) seems thaugh the spring hanger is ok but unsure..



4. this is a shot showing the floor to the boot, showing this as this has gone in places near the rear of the car, i dont know if the floor is double skinned? ive bought a repair panel but im unsure if you can get a inside and a outside?



5. this is a trying to show a pic of the right hand side corner of the boot, the panel is fine all round apart from the no2 problem where the arch bolts, still unsure if its double skinned ie inner section and outer?



6. this is a section of the rear under the boot, its pretty bad inside but seems to have gone in the middle, i would like to get a whole panel as prob no7 next will show you what panel i bought so this has got to be weldable.



7. this is the panel that i bought for the boot, it pretty bad, think ive got this bit right and sorted it, still with prob no4 dont know if i need a outer section aswell?



8 . lastly to complete welding its the section that hold the latch for the boot, as im doing the section that it bolts to i may aswell put a bit of new matal to this bit to complete



any help and advice welcome this when clarification of panels will make the car structurally sound which is a good start and get me moving on to more fun bits and bobs!!

[PSL184]

I'll try and remember your pics as I type my reply.... First 2 pics, just make some local repair panels yourself. Boot floor panel and rear valance panels are available for about £30 and fit very well. Rear inner wheer arch I would probably make a repair panel for although the rear part of the arch is available as a separate repair panel from dealers and finally the area around the spring hanger will need a repair section which is again available as a rear spring hanger repair panel. There is no double skinning anywhere in the areas you have pictured so what you see outside is the same inside.....

[ohc_turbo]

thanks for input

right been on ESM and spotted a few panels

prob no1 cant find anything on there that resembles a panel repair so may have to make my own up??

prob no 2 is the rear arch repair flange R/S

prob no 3 is i think? i need clarification - rear inner wing repair panel but there are two on there and unsure

prob no 4 is just one panel and is not double skinned so ive got that one already and is the rear boot repair panel section so this is sorted

prob 5 is also not double skinned so is the same hole as prob 3 but taken from the inside

prob 6 - think iv found this on ESM - boot aperture panel

prob 8 - cant find anything that resembles so need help clarifying

thanks for help guys

[bmcecosse]

The boot floor and spring hangers are certainly well rotted - you will need to cut right back to good metal - and certainly remove the petrol tank, and the rear spring hangers for a comprehensive rebuild in that area. The other side will be just as bad too - may as well do it at the same time. This is important structural work - and if you don't mind me saying - you don't seem all that confident! I suggest cut away - then look for panels. I imagine if you don't use them - they will take them back for credit. But - have you surveyed the rest of the car VERY CAREFULLY to see what other rot needs fixing ? It's rare for the rear to be so rotten - and the rest of the floor/sills/crossmember/chassis legs not to be in a similar condition....... may as well find out everything that needs doing before you start spending money - so there are no nasty shocks later on.

[chickenjohn]

For the boot aperture, you will need RP 150A or RP 150 (cheap foreign panel)

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The boot floor isn't double skinned, if there is as double skin on your car, it may be due to patching for the MOT and needs to be cut off- the familiar rust sandwich!, here is a boot well panel you need http://www.morrisminorspares.net/shop_item.php?ID=2828



you might have to try and save the box section the boot lid lock catch bolts onto (drill out the spot welds from boot floor side), or make your own out of 1.2mm or thicker steel. Weld in 1/4 bsf captive nuts for the bootlid catch to bolt to. I don't think this little box section is available.

The rust looks quote bad around the rear spring hanger, personally, I would drop the axle, cut off the rusty rear spring hanger box section/inner wing section and fit a whole new rear spring hanger piece http://www.morrisminorspares.net/shop_item.php?ID=2819 lots of measuring needed as this is a suspension mount.



You can use part of this panel http://www.morrisminorspares.net/shop_item.php?ID=4424 to repair the curved section at the rear of the wheel arch. Cut off the bit that is duplicated by the rear spring hanger/chassis section above.

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Your right hand side lower B pillar looks rotten- cut it off and weld in one of these http://www.morrisminorspares.net/shop_item.php?ID=2811


the floor edge undersill panel behind the B pillar might also be suspect and need replacing as well.


Finally make up a piece as Mr Meerkat says between the B pillar and inner wing bowl, a bit like this;[frame][/frame]

All standard Minor restoration stuff really, but as BMC suggests, have a good look at the rest of the car. I would especially set to the dodgy looking patch on your right hand side inner wing with a wire brush on grinder and scraper to ger rid of the underseal as the weld does not look the neatest there and looks like a nasty overlap. cut it off and replace with a butt welded panel, spray zinc weld thru on the inside. Protect all box sections with wax protection after all the welding is done.

[chickenjohn]

As for the wheelarch flange, clean it up with wire brush on grinder and you may be able to just weld in some localised patches, drilling holes and welding captive nuts where necessary to mount the inner wing.

What is the rest of the car like???

[PSL184]

Part number RP153. Boot catch mounting bracket..

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[chickenjohn]

Thanks! I missed that one saves fabbing one. (Though I would probably do it just for "fun").

[ohc_turbo]

thanks for the help guys!

ive already welded sections of the front and all is ok, wire wheeled back to metal and treated where necc and undersealed. all new trunnions and poly bushed.

doors are bad at bottoms and so is the bootlid, the gutters are starting to rust but havent wire wheeled them back yet to see if there bad (dont think so though)

funny enough the other side is not bad at all no rust to spring hangers or cill even the door is not in bad nick, it seems like there was a leak from the bootlid which done all the back rust.

car was restored in 96 and is a tribute to who done it as i can see the patches that he has done and are fine, the floor bulkhead is fine aswell.

i havent been experianced with morris minors but can amature weld quite ok. looking at the parts catalogue it does baffle me slightlyas i know what i want but not familar with the names and part no's..

if im right and this is the only rust sections would you say the car is not in bad nick or is this an average 60' morris?

ill will get that lower quarter section of the side as your prob right and its blown all way through, il lalso get the hanger kit as i dont like the look of it as well

thanks again

[PSL184]

Yes, it's all standard rot for a Minor - Nothing new
The last saloon I restored was the same in that one side had virtually rotted out to nothing and the other side was fine. I later found out it had been parked up on a slope with the car leaning to the passengers side and this was the side that had rotted out - I guess the water rolled that way

Boot floor and rear panel repair......

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[chickenjohn]

Nice work on the boot, Mr Meerkat.

And if that is all the rust on the car, then it looks like an excellent project! I am jealous, my 4-door (next Minor I will restore) is much worse than that!

Please post more pictures of the rest of the underside mr OHC_turbo and keep us posted with your progress.

[PSL184]

Thank you John

ohc_turbo - If you want any more pics of other areas just shout up - I'm sure I will have welded it at some point

[ohc_turbo]

thanks everyone for the help, will be ordering all panels this weekend, i dont really enjoy welding and such like probably as i dont do it all the time and for that I don't get much further learning on it but seems to be okay up to date...

Before i cut the car up as you have done Mr Meerkat which is im my opinion a good job as well,Mr chicken ill post a projects page and take some more pics of the car as it is now!

thanks guys