which are these brakes ?

Post by **britany** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:57 pm

Hello
helping for Sisterlady :
following a breakdown of brake , Parts ordedred.But I did not know that the brakes were modified

Here brake drum and shoes ATA 7154 MO WOG C3 130A17070

Drum 240mm

Those ordered and both

Indeed we have refit old ones but for the next time? if you could say to me which are these brakes and where order them?
Many thanks
Marie-Christine

Post by **PSL184** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:35 pm

240mm is 9.5" - I'm not aware of any 9.5" rear drums - Not even on the Wolseley or Riley?

Post by **rayofleamington** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:18 pm

Are they front or rear brakes? I'm guessing they are front brakes for now...

IIRC, the 8" drum is just over 9" on the outside - you need to measure the INSIDE diameter.

What year is the car? Minors after ~62 had 8" front drums as standard. Some pre-62 cars have been upgraded from 7" to 8" front brakes from the later Minor. (some even have 9" Riley/Wolseley front brakes)

Post by **alainmoran** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:19 pm

If you take the old shoes into a motor factor then they may let you sit there with the books they have comparing the pictures in the book with the shoes you have ... might take a while tho.

Post by **simmitc** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:37 pm

The shoes are definitely front - they both have notches for the snail cam. Advice above is all good.

Congratulations on your English, it's better than my French.

Post by **alex_holden** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:46 pm

It looks to me like you have 8" (203mm) brakes and the new shoes you received are the earlier 7" (178mm) type.

Post by **d_harris** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:57 pm

I'd go with Alex on this one!

Post by **PSL184** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:22 pm

Strangely I had convinced myself that these were rear brakes - Having looked again they are clearly fronts and I also go with the fact that you have 8" brakes on your car and have been supplied with 7" replacements - Send them back for an exchange as both are available without any problems.

Post by **britany** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:48 am

Thanks all
It's rear brakes.
The car is 71 but very very modified.
Do ypu think: is 8"drum?
Pict taken with Lily It's Woody pick-up
Many thanks
Dan

Post by **rayofleamington** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:37 am

It's rear brakes.

In that case it 'could' be anything.
First to try would be Wolseley / Riley as they had larger rear brakes.

Do you think: is 8"drum

if the inside of the drum is ø8" then yes!

Post by **britany** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:55 am

Hi
And this Ref inside drum:
ATA 7154 MO WOG C3 130A17070 ??? can be useful?

Cheers

Post by **simmitc** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:32 pm

Can you post a picture of the old shoes in-situ, showing the cylinder(s), backplate, and bit of axle. The shoes appear to be twin leading shoes, and rears should be single. I'm intrigued to see how the handbrake operates....

Could you ask Woodies what they did to it?

Post by **pfgiz** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:44 pm

Could they be of a modified Marina or Dolomite rear axle? I've heard of both of them being made to fit a Minor..??

Post by **RobThomas** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:43 pm

Do your brakes look like this?

8 inch rear brakes from Riley 1.5 (or Wolseley 1500?) car. They will work on the Morris Minor.

Post by **mike.perry** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:26 pm

If they were rear brakes only one shoe would have a cutout for the single snail cam. Both shoes have a cutout therefore they are front brakes

Post by **RobThomas** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:40 am

I've never seen a set with a cutout on one side only. Every set I've had have been identical sets of 4 shoes. Can you get rear sets for Riley/Wolseley brakes?

Post by **bmcecosse** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:46 am

The brake drum ATA 7154 is the 8" diameter front drum for the later cars with 1098 engine. It is also the rear brake drum for the Wolseley 1500! You have indeed bought 7" shoes - when you need 8" shoes! If any of your cars have the smaller 948cc engine - then keep them as spares - otherwise return them in exchange for the correct 8" shoes!

Post by **mike.perry** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:30 am

Rob, the only difference between the front and rear 7in shoes is the single cutout. Note the comment on P. M14,, fig M22 of the workshop manual.