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spark plug / points gap

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:18 pm
by martint1962
As a complete novice I have just started to help afriend restore a 1968 Morri 1000 traveller. Hasn't been started for a couple of years. Could someone please tell me the plug & point gap settings as a starting point. I may well be a regular poster on here picking your brains.
Thanks for any help in advance

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:46 pm
by PSL184
Hi, welcome.....25 thou for the plugs (0.64mm) and 12 thou for the points (0.3mm)

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:50 pm
by Jefftav
Hi Martin, You might want to add your location as you might be able to obtain more local assistance in future. I am/was a bit of a novice as well but find this site an invaluable source of help and I'm sure you will also find the same.

Plug gap is 0.025 and points gap 0.010 to 0.012

Someone BMC I think has an online manual they can give you alink to which might come in handy.

Cheers, Jeff

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:10 pm
by bmcecosse
PM sent with manual link.

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:11 pm
by 8009STEVE
Plug gap piece of fag packet

Points gap fag paper folded twice

Now off to the pub.

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:44 pm
by martint1962
Wow what a response. Thanks so much for the fast friendly help it really is appreciated

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:05 pm
by Alec
Hello Martin,

I concur with the plug gap at 25 thou but points should be set at 15 thou. The more accurately you set the points the better it will run, put a little smear grease onto the cam of the distributor and a couple of drops of oil down the top of the spindle, once you have removed the rotor arm.

Alec

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:40 pm
by PSL184
Alec - if your engine can tell the difference of .003 it must be much better than mine :-)

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:35 pm
by Alec
Hello PSL184,

I don't use feeler gauges, I use a dwell meter, however I bet that would show a 0.003" difference. But setting tight means a shorter distance before they close too tight for smooth running.
Really, if information is requested, it should be accurate?

Alec

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:38 pm
by PSL184
Alec wrote:
Really, if information is requested, it should be accurate?

Alec
Correct - figures quoted as per the workshop manual which states 12 thou !

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:49 pm
by Alec
Hello PSL184,

I beg to differ, would you care to double check your manual, all my manuals quote 0.014" to 0.016". This is the standard Lucas points gap.

Alec

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:45 pm
by PSL184
Alec wrote:Hello PSL184,

I beg to differ, would you care to double check your manual,

Alec
No, not really. You do it your way and I'll do it mine. I really don't want to get into a major discussion about 3 thou thanks....

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:23 pm
by mike.perry
Just to enter the discussion:- A DKYH4A distributor (Series MM) is 0.012", the rest of the Minor distributors are 0.014" - 0.016"

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:43 pm
by Alec
Hello Mike,

thank you for that as a confirmation of the correct advice to the original poster.

Alec

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:50 pm
by Cam
8009STEVE wrote:Plug gap piece of fag packet

Points gap fag paper folded twice
Now there's a reason to take up smoking. :wink: :lol:
Now off to the pub.
And drinking... :lol:

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:33 pm
by bmcecosse
3 thou really doesn't matter! The smaller the gap - the longer the coil has to charge up between sparks - if the gap is too small the only disadvantage is that it can close up completely all too easily!

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:03 pm
by Alec
Hello BMCE,

we had a discussion on another thread regarding the overheating of coils, the longer the points are closed the more heat is put into the coil.

The specification of 14 to 16 thou is for a reason so why be sloppy? Certainly the Minor engine is very tolerant as it is not very demanding of it's ignition system. I'm sure you are well aware of the requirement the Cooper S engine had for stiffer points springs to give reliable ignition at the higher revs that engine was likely to run at, to keep an adequate saturation time. If closing the points gap would do that as you suggest surely that was an answer?

Alec

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:19 pm
by bmcecosse
The stiffer points on the S dizzy - along with the trapezoidal shape of the cam block - was to delay points bounce, especially on the 999 engine where racing units were being pushed to 10,000 rpm (= 5,000 dizzy rpm). They also used the better 'SA' coil - I don't think coil heating has ever been a problem - except when cars are left with ignition switched on and engine not running!