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Brakin mods?
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:24 pm
by Pantz83
Hey guys! I was jus wondering ...... is there a moggy equivalent to the mini's super minifins drums? if there was is it likely to improve braking, i.e the problem with fade? as i say jus wondering (hav too much time on my hands waitin for a new clutch to arrive!)
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:54 pm
by Cam
Not that I'm aware of.
I would say that it would only give a very slight improvement anyway, and would not be worth the money.
Go for a front disc conversion every time and leave the rears standard
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:58 pm
by Pantz83
will as soon as i got the money, tho I mite have bawt summat else by then! I like so many cars i want them all, but can only jus afford my moggy at the mo! and hes costin me money every month to fix summin!
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:01 pm
by Cam
i want them all
Ha Ha, tell me about it!!
I'm buying 'em faster than I can fix 'em! - and on my wages, that's not a smart move!!
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:10 pm
by Pantz83
wot ya got? Im a big VW fan and went to the volksworld show recently, which did my addiction no good! and it was a good job there was no bank managers there to give me a loan! Im also very tempted by a triumph herald 1200 convertible ( a + been its a brit) for the summer, but Id have to take a loan out to be able to afford one by then, which isnt a good move!
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:30 pm
by Cam
'69 Moggy (1380cc)
'52 Moggy (sidevalve)
'78 MGB GT
'89 Rover 216S
I have also owned 2 Minis, and an MG Midget, as well as an XR3i and a Fiesta (MK1)
But recently I was looking at a Morris Eight Series E (I will get one eventually) I also like the Austin 7. I also have a soft spot for the '70s BL cars: Allegro, Marina, etc.
So many cars, so little money and space!
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 1:31 pm
by Kevin
Hmm Cam don`t know exactly where you live but do you have a house attached to your car park & garage or is there no room left.
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 1:36 pm
by Cam
Three garages (separate - with one a few miles away) and a bit of road!
NEED MORE SPACE!!
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 3:54 pm
by Kevin
Good Grief I know IT is a thriving industry but to have your own road between your 3 garages is something else, I am only just coming to terms with having the odd pound or two in my pocket again after my daughters left home ( mainly physically not financially ) and before anyone asks NO I do not wish to adopt repacements.
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 4:08 pm
by Cam
IT?????? Wash your mouth out Sir!!
It's Wireless Telecoms Engineering that I do (cellular systems hardware design mainly).
And anycase, to put a bit of perspective on the situation:
Garage 1: in my back garden (put up in '63 and falling to bits)
Garage 2: rented from the council complete with leaking roof and adjacent to my back garden.
Garage 3: rented from another council - situated at the back of my nan's house (a few miles from mine).
Section of road: owned by the council - I just park on it!!!
and I am definitely not rich!!! quite the opposite! - I can't even afford to pay attention!! (Sorry!)
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 4:10 pm
by Gareth
Boom boom!
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 4:34 pm
by Kevin
Let me apologise for my misinterpretation of your job I thought you mentioned IT as your job but I was wrong as usual
WTE (cshd) now theres a proper job title, mine just to save you asking is
Network Protection Job Contoller (yes I work for BT and the title is worth more than the job like most in the comms industry)
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 4:51 pm
by Cam
the title is worth more than the job like most in the comms industry
Ha Ha, very true!
Sorry for jumping on you, but I get a bit touchy about it as I spend all day designing and running computer simulations of wireless systems - which you could say is IT, but it's NOT!!! IT'S ENGINEERING!!
I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT!!
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 5:10 pm
by Kevin
No offence taken - given - or itended Cam
And of course its engineering most think that engineering only applies to mechanical and forget about electrical
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:42 am
by h_____
Hi all,
I have to say putting front disks and leaving the rear brakes standard is not the ideal balance. I ran a morris like this for 2 years, it dives very heavily on the nose under hard braking. Since then I have uprated the rear drums, this makes the car much more stable under braking, and it doesnt nose dive half as much. As with all modifications they need to be sympathetically with the rest of the car. i.e. if you uprate the brakes you put more stress on the suspension. It is then well worth looking at tele dampers as well.
I know we can always afford to do all of this at once, but I would look at the front disk conversion as the first step to uprating rear brakes, and uprating the suspension. Once these are done, the car becomes a serious little motor even with a standard engine (was 948cc in my case). Great fun, and handled and braked way above the normal.
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:10 am
by Cam
h_____,
yes, if you uprate the front brakes without uprating the suspension then it will dive heavily on the front!
But I ran a Moggy with uprated torsion bars and front telescopics, together with vented front discs and standard rear drums, and the braking was fine, always stopped straight and evenly with no problems (and I was running a tuned 1380cc engine) so I was thrashing it about everywhere.
A more serious problems than ineffectual rear brakes is: far too effective rear brakes, which can be really dangerous if you have to dab the brakes while going round a bend, and can cause bad spin-offs in the wet.
I now run a Ford rear axle with Escort mk2 8" rear drums, and the braking is good, but it does not feel that much different from the standard (1098) rear brakes, as the vast majority of the braking is done by the front.