Morris Minor Owners Club

Hi all out there can any one tell me how to set up a test bed for my indicators for my 1960 2door saloon.using the indicator stalk. I cannot get any of the flashers to work. I have used all known working parts off my 1963 one and I know that they are ok. I have tried continuity on all the wiring and its ok. I have checked the circuits all ok but still nothing works.these are the components stalk,flasher,lights,wire but no relay does it need one as there does not seem to be one on my 1963 (1098). I have spent the last 5 days read previous questions on this subject on the forum and the same length on time trying to sort it out, there must be something that I have overlooked.

so what you do is pull the 2 wires from the indicator stalk under the dash that take the power to the bulbs. (sorry cant remember the colours). the stalk should be supplied with 12 volts all the time so when you switch it just sends the current to the required side. if you plug a wire and test bulb into the connector and earthed to the body you should be able to tell if there is power leaving the stalk. a volt meter is better then a test bulb.

The tubular type of flasher unit will have contacts marked 'B', 'P', and 'L'.
'B' should be Green from the fuse box and is live with the ignition on.
'P' should be Light Green and is the pilot light, and 'L' is Green/Brown which goes to the centre point of the indicator switch. so,if you take the leads off of
the flasher unit and connect the Green to the Green/Brown and then operate
the flasher switch AFTER switching the ignition on the indicator lights should light up. If they do then the basic wiring appears ok. If they do not light up
then check for 12v on the Green lead. Two points, while you are testing do not leave the ignition on without the engine running for long periods (coil burn
out) and,if you have a modern square type flasher unit it is wired differently.

thanks boys, I have already tried as you suggested and nothing,I know the flasher unit is ok as I took it out of my everyday runabout Morris, I have checked all wiring for continuity and all ok indicator stalk ok! and all bulbs ok power to stalk out. What next (gremlins) but still no lights flash or light up even.
Jimmy

If you followed my idea then the lamps should come on and stay on not flash.
You need to tell us if you still have the original rear lamps where the same
bulb is used as a flasher and a stop lamp and if the front side lights use a double filament bulb and have a white lens? If the rears are as per original
for that year then you obviously would have had the relay unit which you say
is missing. To concentrate on one side for simplicities sake the feed to the right hand rear flasher lamp would have been White/Brown and the feed to the right hand front flasher lampwould have been Green/White so if you find those two leads and join them together and then connect them to the darkl
Green 12v lead from the flasher unit they should light up, with ignition ON.
If they don't light up you have a nasty wiring problem. If you don't find these wire colours tell what colours you have going to the right hand front and
rear indicator bulbs.
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Hi Willie, the rear lamps that I will be fitting area lamp L549 fully chrome twin filliment and a seperate lamp for the flasher and the front will be LMP 138 front and flasher with a white lens and also a twin filliment bulb and the wiring to these is as follows red for the side lights (no problem and working) front and rear left flasher Green with a red tracer, front right and rear green with a white tracer. In addition to this will be a blk for the earth from each light. and the other wires are as you stated B is the grn from fuse via ign swt P is l/grn to the light at the end of the stalk and the brn to the centre, there is also a wire for the horn going to the ind stalk (purple). Should there be a relay involved in all this as well as the flasher unit and if so were is it located.
I am use to faulting wires as I spent the last 31 years on faults as a telephone engineer with GPO/BT tracing faults on switchboards and the likes but this one has me stumped at the moment. I am pritty certain that there is not a fault with the wiring.The only difference to the wiring that you mentioned and that I have is rear indicators are the same colours as the front.
Help over to you Willie
Jimmy

Willie when I got the car everything was removed down to a shell by its last owner and put in a cardboard box un labled, who started to restore it ( he is 76 yrs) and the job got too much for him the wiring harness was thick with oil which I removed from its cotten braided covering and cleaned every wire individualy and then recovered the cables with a cloth type and a self-amalgamating tape. Where would the relay most likely be fitted in the car should there be one.
Jimmy

Since you are installing the later type light units you can forget the original
relay. All you have to do is to run the Green/white leads to one side of the
indicator switch and the Green/red to the other side. On your original set-up
the indicator switch would still have had those colours to the indicator switch
BUT via a green/yellow and a Green/blue IN to the relay unit and via a Green/white (front R hand) from the relay unit so, if you find the Green/white
TO the front flasher and connect it to the same colour on the indicator switch
the r/hand lamps should ignite i.e. if you find the Green/yellow lead then dis-
connect it at the bullet junction and fit the green/white from the indicator lamps to that point................Gulp

JIMMY, if you PM me with your e mail address I could send you the two circuit
diagrams and the two Wiring Key pages if you wish? If you have Broadband
it will be ok but, due to the high definition needed it would take about three
days on dial up!!

Hi Willie yes I do have BB and I have sent you a pm
Jimmy

Hi all up date thanks to Willie and my local garage, what I was doing wrong was testing the end of the wires with a test lamp and trying toget it to work when I switched on the indicators. What I did not realise was that to make it flash there had to be 2 lamps (load) in order for it to work and not just 1. next time I will stick to repairing phones and gardening
Jimmy