Morris Minor Owners Club

1.9 Diesel. I've owned this from new.240,000 miles.still pulls like a train. Just can't part with it. Pulled many Minors out of barns ![frame][/frame]

As my long departed Dad used to say, " It say OMO on the back of buses, BUT they don't take washing in!"

I don't think there is much difference where you get it from but its when the tanks get low problems arise imho

To me, thats all testicals! Especially on vehicle tanks. The pick in a tank is NOT at the bottom like the plug hole in a bath.It's raised OFF the bottom so as not to pick up anything lurking on the bottom being low on fuel level won't affect muck on the bottom, after all if it can't float it will always stay on the bottom it's on the bottom of 14 inches of fuel just as it is under 2 inches of fuel.
I suppose any crap floating on top will be available to get sucked up when the fuel level drops

people that buy fuel from supermarkets are more than likely the same sort of people that buy 'winter' tyres.

I suppose some people have to keep these companies alive with there custom.

wondered why my company fuel card is only valid for use at shell, esso, bp and Texaco and none of the supermarkets............... I know then answer......... but its not been figured out by some others so far.

You are getting off track with Winter tyres and I can assure you that Winter tyres are vastly different in performance to 'Summer' tyres at lower temperatures (below 7 degrees C). Winter tyres have a different tread design to give better grip in snow but probably more valid is the choice of compound which vastly reduces braking distances at lower temperatures. It doesn't need to snow to make it worth fitting Winter tyres.
Fuel choice appears from this thread to be a commercial folly but don't mix that up with tyres!
John

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ampwhu wrote:people that buy fuel from supermarkets are more than likely the same sort of people that buy 'winter' tyres.

I suppose some people have to keep these companies alive with there custom.

wondered why my company fuel card is only valid for use at shell, esso, bp and Texaco and none of the supermarkets............... I know then answer......... but its not been figured out by some others so far.

Don't see the connection between winter tyres & petrol
But like our fuel cards they are only taken at mainstream stations because that where the card provider makes most money from the cardholders account. You can get, and we do have a different cards that are only accepted by supermarkets but the supermarkets make the interest on the debt unlike the mainstream card where the large fuel companies make the interest. We don't pay any interest as we pay off in full every month
Also you will find that on most mainstream cards you pay MORE than the pump price!

ampwhu wrote:people that buy fuel from supermarkets are more than likely the same sort of people that buy 'winter' tyres.

I suppose some people have to keep these companies alive with there custom.

wondered why my company fuel card is only valid for use at shell, esso, bp and Texaco and none of the supermarkets............... I know then answer......... but its not been figured out by some others so far.

Where on earth do you come up with these theories from?

Actually Winter tyres have a very different compound and tread to "summer tyres" but are generally not so necessary for UK climate conditions (apart from maybe the Highlands where they do see regular snow,) certainly my Tesco Fueled turbo Diesel outside is sitting on a set of standard tyres, I cant recall if they are Pirelli or Dunlop. Certainly leafy Surrey isn't the sort of place where I would expect to see much purpose for Winter tyres, and I speak as a former resident of Cheam, Wallington and Sutton.

As for Fuel cards, at work we have 2 of them, both of them publish prices each week for transactions in that week. One very obvious reason they may not be available at Supermarkets is the price inducement they offer which is usually a couple of pence off of a litre, given that they are starting from a higher price point with the "brand names", ( A supermarket name in itself is a brand in reality) supermarkets have little or no room to offer them a price reduction as they pass that out to ALL customers. Currently our local ASDA is cheaper than Fuelcard Services prices for example. One of the branded filling stations that accepts fuel cars is notorious locally as the most expensive place around here for fuel, so quite often any discount there is still small beer compared to the lower prices elsewhere.

There is more to life........

Drivewasher water floats and when the tanks get low at the garages it gets sucked up and goes through the filters [ you spelt testicles wrong]

It doesn't! Water is heavier than petrol or indeed oil. Just weigh a gallon of petrol then a gallon of oil.
That's why oil slicks float.

the forum software changed the other way of spelling testicles to FOOTBALLS for some reason!

Ladies and Gentleman, I wouldn't get your underwear in a twist over petrol. As long as your car,starts,and gets you to work,good on it. All supermarkets storage tanks,( I delivered to them all, Tesco's,Morrison's Asda etc ) all have water warning sensors.
None of them will allow their tanks to fall below 5000 lts. If, that does happen,they simply shut the pumps off that are being fed from the offending tank. Keep filling up,you're keeping me in a job !

Eddie how come I have had water in my tank from the Texaco on Lancashire hill where I have an account ??any ideas

Yes, it is true, all the petrol supplies come from the same refineries these days. However, to avoid problems such as water (which comes with ethanol) avoid ethanol petrol, many Super unleaded supplies are still ethanol free , fill up with super not normal unleaded.

chickenjohn wrote:Yes, it is true, all the petrol supplies come from the same refineries these days. However, to avoid problems such as water (which comes with ethanol) avoid ethanol petrol, many Super unleaded supplies are still ethanol free , fill up with super not normal unleaded.

Yes, the Ethanol issue must be a more primary concern for classic cars (there is speculation that Ethanol % addition is on the cards to be increased in the future as modern engines are said to effectively cope unlike when our older engines were designed)

How about suggesting it would be of great interest if perhaps the CLUB would agree to contact the major oil companies (on behalf of its members) say on an annual basis to have an updated list of which Super grades of petrol definately have no Ethanol added as I believe some are in fact now beginning to have a percentage added now as well as Standard unleaded !

irmscher wrote:Eddie how come I have had water in my tank from the Texaco on Lancashire hill where I have an account ??any ideas

Not too sure really. The loading terminal for that site,is Valero,Trafford Park Manchester,state of the art Terminal. I take tons out of there each week. The Lancashire Hill site is a very busy one,anyone else have any trouble that you know of. Is your vehicle petrol or diesel ? I know that site has above ground storage for diesel,it's pumped in by the tractor unit,not gravity fed,like petrol. That shouldn't make any difference though.

That's really odd Eddie as there was a few people who had the diesel .I know the owner Osman and he has 3 sites .I talked to a guy at woodford refinery and he said there is a chemical reaction where there is an emulsion process when diesel tanks get really low way over my head though

In my job I remove the pump/sender from the fuel tanks of cars as I drain them, Id say a good half have some water present in the tank along with other crud that you wouldn't expect to find.

I remember my Vauxhall Ventora had a glass chamber on the pump that used to trap some water, as did the inline glass chamber on my Zephyr 6, and I have seen water in the filter chamber on my 405 TD. I think some water in fuel in inevitable with condensation etc, as long as the traps pick it up it shouldn't really be an issue.

The talk of supermarket fuel also misses the point that as a kid I could count around 14 assorted filling stations in the "twin towns" where I now live, all of them were brand names - Texaco/BP/Shell/Esso/Jet... even a National. But now we just have Asda, Tesco and one Gulf, That's it, and before Asda arrived Tesco was often only around 0.05 per litre cheaper than the "independent" which I think was a Texaco at the time, its not always about cheapness, sometimes - in rural areas the supermarket is a major player or even the only game in town

I was lucky to purchase 3 nos glass bowl filter kings and seem to do the job

warweezil wrote:In my job I remove the pump/sender from the fuel tanks of cars as I drain them, Id say a good half have some water present in the tank along with other crud that you wouldn't expect to find.

I remember my Vauxhall Ventora had a glass chamber on the pump that used to trap some water, as did the inline glass chamber on my Zephyr 6, and I have seen water in the filter chamber on my 405 TD. I think some water in fuel in inevitable with condensation etc, as long as the traps pick it up it shouldn't really be an issue.

The talk of supermarket fuel also misses the point that as a kid I could count around 14 assorted filling stations in the "twin towns" where I now live, all of them were brand names - Texaco/BP/Shell/Esso/Jet... even a National. But now we just have Asda, Tesco and one Gulf, That's it, and before Asda arrived Tesco was often only around 0.05 per litre cheaper than the "independent" which I think was a Texaco at the time, its not always about cheapness, sometimes - in rural areas the supermarket is a major player or even the only game in town

Very relevant point. I ran out of diesel once. It was a long walk to a petrol station,there are not that many left ! Gulf,me god's that takes me back as well. Regent even further !!! Not looking to labour the point re Supermarket petrol,but...first load today,from Shell,Stanlow. 2nd Load from Texaco ( Valero ) Trafford Park.Third load from Phillips 66 (Jet). To confuse you even more,first load,was done on Texaco's account..Don't ask