Morris Minor Owners Club

Wasn't it Dirky who originally posted up that early wheels were 100mm pcd ? And then gets all shirty when it's pointed out that's not right! Good grief.

Indeed - also stressed the importance of the hubcentric fitting, which Minors don't have. No point picking holes though - I'm sure it's all fair comment, though I have to admit I don't follow the point or the logic.

Being fair to both sides of this debate, I see that if someone asks for a definitive answer to a particular question then the answer should be as requested, ie 'what grade oil should be used in the front dampers?' there is a text book answer which should be the first one offered, only then can the choices made by individuals be offered as alternatives. Original data 'is' important as a base reference as its proven and is historic. Here say and opinion are just that if not backed up with either a reasoned argument or proof that they are founded on either experience or proven methods of engineering.
Obviously not all questions need historic proof and to do this would be nigh on impossible for many questions. but by the same token 'bad' advice has no place on this forum, and as mentioned before, the T and C's clearly state that we are responsible for our own comments.

Steady on, we've managed ok up 'till now without these outbursts. It's not quite zero tolerance here yet!

OK in response to Dirky52 accusations towards me.

The reason is that nobody wants to be a 'Private,' 'Pillion Passenger' or 'Newbie' because they are treated like witless idiots as you have demonstrated within this thread.

I have never said, suggested or made such a statement and as far as I am aware neither has anyone else on this site board until you did.

Perhaps, and in my humble opinion, it might be better to imagine that there are some Newbies like me that may have 30 years of experience with motor vehicles, not self taught, (although there is nothing wrong with that) that can lay his hands on any data anyone could wish to know.

If that is so (and I dont doubt it) why did you say " The reason I state this is because a very reputable Morris Minor specialist has made the following statement:"

I just happen to be a Newbie. Nothing is known about me until I have made hundreds of possibly unsubstanciated mechanical statements and be made up to the 'Grand Minor Inquisitor.' But maybe, just maybe I have knowledge that could be very useful. Maybe my engineering background insists on factual and provable methods. Maybe this 'Newbie' isn't as new to the Morris Minor as his title suggests.

I am sorry but I dont respond to veiled blackmail, this board is all about the expansion of knowledge and helping each other.

But I will challenge every fact on this site until I am satisfied that it can be backed up with solid data. Then and only then will I use it.

Quite right thats what we are all about and nobody has said any different.

With respect, you have said as much by suggesting that 'Newbies' often are the cause of bad engineering practices when in fact it could be that the information given to them is unclear.

Sorry but you have twisted my words to say that when I actually said "which sometimes leads to bad engineering practices being undertaken by the unwary which then leads to problems." which is not the same thing at all.

I believe when Kevin talks about newbies he means people who are new to working on cars, not people who are new to the forum.

Exactly Alex

Dirky52 I am sorry you find you newbie status so distressing but its only there to indicate a new user nothing else and we certainly dont have any posters trying to raise there posts as you like to call it to 'Grand Minor Inquisitor.'

You seem to be making a lot of presumptions of what posters on here are like especially if they are like me as I obviously dont fit your Idea of what a poster should be.
And I make no apologies for being a full time Morris Minor enthusiast who tries to help other owners where possible without name calling or insulting them to enable as many cars and commercials as possible to stay on the road in regular use or whatever purpose the owner wishes to use it for, and even those that dont have a vehicle but just like them all the same.
I probably have a different view in that I try not to pre-judge other posters.
As a matter of interest I am just confirming the thread sizes and then I will place a sticky post.

The reason is that nobody wants to be a 'Private,' 'Pillion Passenger' or 'Newbie' because they are treated like witless idiots as you have demonstrated within this thread.

I have never said, suggested or made such a statement and as far as I am aware neither has anyone else on this site board until you did.

More care should be taken on your sweaping statements. Since you used the name 'Newbie' and not 'new to the Morris Minor' how else could this be taken?

Perhaps, and in my humble opinion, it might be better to imagine that there are some Newbies like me that may have 30 years of experience with motor vehicles, not self taught, (although there is nothing wrong with that) that can lay his hands on any data anyone could wish to know.

If that is so (and I dont doubt it) why did you say " The reason I state this is because a very reputable Morris Minor specialist has made the following statement:"

It was an indication of how the most effective communication device of the century can easily carry information that may or may not be factual. What the law courts call hearsay evidence which is inadmissible because it cannot be cross-examined. This particular statement has never been challenged before and has remained, possibly incorrect, for all to see. The reason nobody has challenged it is because either they don't know the answer or there is no gain in doing so. Just my humble opinion.

I just happen to be a Newbie. Nothing is known about me until I have made hundreds of possibly unsubstanciated mechanical statements and be made up to the 'Grand Minor Inquisitor.' But maybe, just maybe I have knowledge that could be very useful. Maybe my engineering background insists on factual and provable methods. Maybe this 'Newbie' isn't as new to the Morris Minor as his title suggests.

I am sorry but I dont respond to veiled blackmail, this board is all about the expansion of knowledge and helping each other.

Veiled blackmail? Where, when?

But I will challenge every fact on this site until I am satisfied that it can be backed up with solid data. Then and only then will I use it.

Quite right thats what we are all about and nobody has said any different.

Nobody?

With respect, you have said as much by suggesting that 'Newbies' often are the cause of bad engineering practices when in fact it could be that the information given to them is unclear.

Sorry but you have twisted my words to say that when I actually said "which sometimes leads to bad engineering practices being undertaken by the unwary which then leads to problems." which is not the same thing at all.

With respect and irrespective of any inaccuracies of my misquote (for which I apologise) the end result as far as bad engineering practices goes could be contributable to unclear information by someone unable to write in a clear and concise way despite being technically very proficient. This is amply illustrated by your misunderstanding of what I have written and my misunderstanding of what you have written. You think I am being threatening and I think you are being over sensitive, or is it the other way round?

I believe when Kevin talks about newbies he means people who are new to working on cars, not people who are new to the forum.

Exactly Alex

Why didn't he say so? It was an unfortunate use of the term 'Newbie' and might well be taken as patronising. Incidentally, I have noted that quite a few 'Newbies' when posting tips immediately attract patronising answers from those with higher ratings. So let's be honest about this.

Dirky52 I am sorry you find you newbie status so distressing but its only there to indicate a new user nothing else and we certainly dont have any posters trying to raise there posts as you like to call it to 'Grand Minor Inquisitor.

The only thing I find distressing is human nature in denial!

You seem to be making a lot of presumptions of what posters on here are like especially if they are like me as I obviously dont fit your Idea of what a poster should be.

I think you have taken this far too personnally. I apologise unreservedly if it seems that I have taken offence over your use of the term 'Newbie' when you meant something completely different. My mistake completely.

And I make no apologies for being a full time Morris Minor enthusiast who tries to help other owners where possible without name calling or insulting them to enable as many cars and commercials as possible to stay on the road in regular use or whatever purpose the owner wishes to use it for, and even those that dont have a vehicle but just like them all the same.
I probably have a different view in that I try not to pre-judge other posters.

I am not aware of any name calling or any personal insults anywhere within this site. If you mean 'Newbie' or 'Grand Minor Inquisitor' then of course this sort of thing should be stamped out immediately. But, yes you are quite right that I should never pre-judge other posters. So regardless of your titles within this forum, and I state this to everyone, as far as I am concerned we are all equal despite the fact that some are more equal than others.

As a matter of interest I am just confirming the thread sizes and then I will place a sticky post.

Something positive is just happening, once egos have been put aside. We all have egos and human nature dictates how we respond to possible critisism. However, if as a internet society, we establish a manufactured pecking order (I talk of all forums) then it gives rise to the need to move from the bottom rung within that society (Human Nature). I do not question the technical integrity of any individual within this forum I merely ask for substantiating data. I can't see how that can be interpreted as pre-judging. Unless of course there have been incidences of over-posting and nobody thinks it is that important for the sake of a few titles, so be it. But don't expect me to believe that this forum is any different from other forums that are designed to maximise traffic. They are all designed on the same principal and all work in the same way. The important thing, that of the transfer of information, from those in the know to those in need becomes secondary to status within that community. That is not pre-judging it is an acceptance of human nature and how any forum becomes sucessful. It doesn't take an Einstein to deduce that without the 'title' there is no incentive to post helpful advice. Why should anyone with a lifetime of experience pass it on to someone else for nothing? Sometimes the incentive to make a comment (that is not particulary informative) gets the same payment as a solid fact. There are thousands of non-factual comments within this forum that may or may not mean someone is chasing a better title - so what? But just because they are multi-posters doesn't mean they are correct, enlightend or experienced. But I think there are some areas where the backup of data is extremely important and in particular where definitive statements can be dangerous. Wheel PCD sizes.

This thread is getting a bit too serious. If anyone is unsure of info posted anywhere - just ask for advice - you will certainly be offered it on this forum. I unfortunately saw this degenerating from the first few postings.
Cortina wheels are now on BOGOF

Pete

More care should be taken on your sweaping statements. Since you used the name 'Newbie' and not 'new to the Morris Minor' how else could this be taken?

Well you used the term witless idiots no one else on here used the term or even hinted or suggested it.

This particular statement has never been challenged before and has remained, possibly incorrect, for all to see.

But as you seem to miss the point, it didnt come from this board it came from another enthusiasts site which has nothing to do with this board or the MMOC and it was yourself that quoted "a very reputable Morris Minor specialist" its not up to this board to monitor other sites as far as I am aware.

It doesn't take an Einstein to deduce that without the 'title' there is no incentive to post helpful advice.

You must be kidding I dont believe that for one moment, this board is not about Titles, as has been said some have much more access time than others hence why they post more.

But don't expect me to believe that this forum is any different from other forums that are designed to maximise traffic. They are all designed on the same principal and all work in the same way. The important thing, that of the transfer of information, from those in the know to those in need becomes secondary to status within that community.

Something you may have overlooked is that currently there is no commercial advertising on this site and that the cost of it is paid for out of our subscriptions to the MMOC.

Something positive is just happening

Only as far as a sticky posting, as the correct detail is already on the board apart form a thread clarification.

Time Out...Cease Fire...Xmas Spirit....Have a beer and chill everyone

Who would believe that a Cortina wheel could cause so much trouble

Summary

Morris Wheel PCD 101.6mm, ANY other wheel fitted to the Morris Standard Studs is likely to be dangerous, unless it is of a specific design to match the 101.6mm PCD e.g. Minilite/Minator Alloys.

Now please, someone blow the final whistle, and let's move on...

Time Out...Cease Fire...Xmas Spirit....Have a beer and chill everyone

HERE HERE,What about a game of football before going back to the trenches????????

What is a Consantina By the Way

Out of interest Dirky - have you pointed out the mistakes to Minor Mania ?

He may not be a legend yet, but he would be if the length of his posts had anything to do with it! I had to stretch my legs half way through.
Have a rest Dirky, we'll be ok for a while!!

bmcecosse wrote:Out of interest Dirky - have you pointed out the mistakes to Minor Mania ?

I've posted a link to this thread on there.

Pete

This thread is better than a Gilbert and Sullivan opera


Although ..... 4 inches is actually 101.6002 mm

As the new thread is locked - found this handy link to sizes & PCD's
http://www.racedynamics.biz/Applic_Guid ... itment.htm
Doesnt have cortina wheels listed alas but still a handy page for reference

edited spelling mistake

Another similar page

http://www.retro-rides.com/wheels.asp