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Re: 803 engine. How fragile?

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:45 pm
by jagnut66
Interesting comments.
Perceptions of gutlessness change over the years. 50 years ago I toured France in my heavily-laden 1950 side valve, basically the pre-war Morris Eight engine. I never felt aware of being particularly slow, there were plenty of vehicles cruising at under 50 mph even on Motorways. In those days there were still plenty of early Citroen 2CVs on French roads which the Morris easily left trailing behind on long climbs with its stonking 27 bhp versus the Citroen's 12 bhp !
The world went and got itself in a hurry......
Along with a few other things.........
Not all 'progress' is good progress................
Best wishes,
Mike.

Re: 803 engine. How fragile?

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:33 am
by ianmack
More powerful than an early 2cv? Dammed with faint praise I think. :D

Re: 803 engine. How fragile?

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:16 am
by myoldjalopy
jagnut66 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:45 pm
Interesting comments.
Perceptions of gutlessness change over the years. 50 years ago I toured France in my heavily-laden 1950 side valve, basically the pre-war Morris Eight engine. I never felt aware of being particularly slow, there were plenty of vehicles cruising at under 50 mph even on Motorways. In those days there were still plenty of early Citroen 2CVs on French roads which the Morris easily left trailing behind on long climbs with its stonking 27 bhp versus the Citroen's 12 bhp !
The world went and got itself in a hurry......
Along with a few other things.........
Not all 'progress' is good progress................
Best wishes,
Mike.
My view is that if it is not good, then it isn't progress! There is always change - but not all of that is desirable or beneficial...... :(

Re: 803 engine. How fragile?

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:37 am
by smithskids
Graham Hill used to drive an A30/35 in saloon car events and they always beat the Moggies due to smaller cross sectional area and lighter weight I think.

Re: 803 engine. How fragile?

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:23 pm
by Edward1949
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mi-tests ... gon/#mmGal

Praised for excellent performance in 1954 American road test !!

Re: 803 engine. How fragile?

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:07 pm
by liammonty
Edward1949 wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:23 pm http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mi-tests ... gon/#mmGal

Praised for excellent performance in 1954 American road test !!
Well, not quite! Handling was, for sure, but the engine perhaps slightly less so!

"Here is a perfectly magnificent handling automobile, as practical as money in a sound bank, dwarfed by an engine with only a teaspoonful of dig.".

Re: 803 engine. How fragile?

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:45 pm
by jagnut66
"Here is a perfectly magnificent handling automobile, as practical as money in a sound bank, dwarfed by an engine with only a teaspoonful of dig.".
So we're back to a good car (the Morris Minor) let down by an engine that....... how does the saying go again??...... Oh, yes, 'wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding!'..............
They should have gone straight from side valves to a 948 unit, a far better engine, then developed into the 1098 and finally a 1275 option.
Just my opinion of course, for which I will now be shot at dawn.... :wink:
Best wishes,
Mike.

Re: 803 engine. How fragile?

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:32 pm
by Edward1949
I vaguely remember hearing that BMC Gold Seal exchange reconditioned engines addressed some of the flaws in the originals. Gold Seal engines were reckoned to be better than the originals across the BMC range (theory was that engine reconditioners were more skilled and diligent than the builders of the original engines), but I don't know whether they incorporated actual "improvements" .

Re: 803 engine. How fragile?

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:37 pm
by philthehill
The only improvement was the removal of some of the wear and worn parts :D

Re: 803 engine. How fragile?

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:23 pm
by jagnut66
The only improvement was the removal of some of the wear and worn parts
So no 'improvement' at all then..... :lol:

Re: 803 engine. How fragile?

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:24 pm
by philthehill
Correct. 8)

Re: 803 engine. How fragile?

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:26 am
by Edward1949
Interesting article on BMC Gold Seal engines :
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