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Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 10:25 pm
by bmcecosse
Some vacuum take off points are designed to be 'hidden' by the throttle plate at idle....... Connect the gauge - rev up and then 'almost' close the throttle - what does it read as the engine slows........

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 10:34 pm
by Arthurdaily
I'll check that tomorrow. Thank you BMC.

However, that means then that there would be NO advance at idle? I though it was supposed to advance then AND whilst cruising??

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 10:45 pm
by bmcecosse
I don't like it - but that's the way some are designed - where the take off is on the carb body itself. I prefer to take the vac from the manifold. But even with the carb body system - you will have the throttle slightly open when 'cruising'....and so vac will be present at the dizzy.

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 10:57 pm
by Arthurdaily
Could it also simply be there is a massiv air leak into the manifold?

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 12:01 am
by bmcecosse
Yes - if the engine doesn't run........ :roll: :lol:

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 8:14 am
by Arthurdaily
Ah, right, yes. I shall do throttle open and close experiment and report back.

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:41 pm
by Arthurdaily
Right, done as asked BMC with TWO vacuum gauges, neither show any vacuum present at any time during experimental revving and dropping to almost idle! Not even a twinge of vacuum movement.

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 7:07 pm
by MarkyB
stuck a pipe cleaner in, and it does not appear blocked.
Did you see the other end inside the carb?
At the end of the day it's a hole, very little to go wrong.
I'm thinking a picture might help.

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 7:46 pm
by bmcecosse
Do the gauges work? Suck them - how much vac can you make ?? I've forgotten now why you want to measure the vacuum - vacuum gauge is the most useless thing ever.......except on my steam loco of course - where I have TWO !! :lol:

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 8:06 pm
by Arthurdaily
They are not 'gauges' as such... why would I fit one? They are just 'test' gauges for checking vacuum. Now EVERYBODY here seems to go on about the importance of vacuum, including you... BUT mine doesn't work, there is no suck... so of COURSE I'm curious as to why this is the case...

The gauges DO work though - I have attached them to another Minor in my care and they register vacuum.

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:25 pm
by liammonty
The carb on your Minor (if it's an HS2 the same as on mine) will blank off the vacuum at idle. You'll get most vacuum just off idle, not if you're revving the thing up like mad, when you'll have no vacuum either. TBH though, it's really not possible that there is no suction coming from the carb if there's no blockage in the vacuum take-off on the carb. Life's too short for this- I would stop worrying!

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:39 pm
by bmcecosse
:lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:08 pm
by Arthurdaily
Took carb off - somebody had 'glued' a strip of what look like plasticated paper over the hole inside! The gauge now reads as it should...

I'm happy now and will never mention vacuum ever again :D

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 5:32 am
by bmcecosse
We are delirious............ :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
But - you had poked a pipe cleaner through...? Is the engine running better now?

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:53 pm
by Arthurdaily
Clearly not far enough, does it run better? Well, with a little throttle (for example during cold choke moments) it runs a little faster - plus perhaps a little smoother on pick up.

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:56 pm
by les
You'd never make a chimney sweep! :D

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:56 pm
by Arthurdaily
Ha ha, it would be more my incredible girth than my attention to orifice-cleaning detail that would negate the possibility of that particular occupational avenue I think... :oops:

Re: Vacuum advance

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:03 pm
by les
It's the brush that pokes out the top, not you! :D