Paint Job some advice

Post by **56 Splitscreen** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:51 pm

Colour at present light Green...( nice enough)

Is it more expensive and a lot more hassle to change colour..taking of racing green or something ??

Is there different paint finishs ?? what that is extra glossy ??shiny ??
Is there a finish that will withhold rust ...

Post by **chickenjohn** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:44 am

Withholding rust depends on removing all the rust during the paint prep!

If you're painting the car yourself, with an appropriate mask, then Cellulose is the way forward. If getting it done professionally in a paint booth they will want to use 2-pac (too poisonouis for home use). Morris Minors were originally finished in Cellulose, so its the best to use for any repairs on these cars- its much more forgiving for the home user to correct any mistakes too!!

How glossy the end result is depends on how long you spend flatting, buffing and polishing afterwards!!

If the present colour is nice enough, then its best to leave well alone!!

Post by **56 Splitscreen** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:23 pm

Thanks Chickenjohn...

Its an Anglia I am getting resprayed...thin enough coat of paint on it at present...Thinking of going Two Tone... Trying to to think of top and bottom colours...hmmmmmmm

Post by **mossymorris** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:55 pm

i agree no minors should be painted in 2 pac unless your in to customising

Post by **jonathon** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:48 pm

Why ?

Post by **bigginger** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:00 pm

Quite - where's the sense behind that?

Post by **aupickup** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:29 pm

yes why

Post by **brixtonmorris** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:27 pm

how about it dont look original

Post by **jonathon** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:29 pm

Nah ! thats just an old wifes tale

Post by **brixtonmorris** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:31 pm

or you cant repair scratches without respraying the whole panel.
or what about it being bad for your health, even worse then smoking
and where does the waste products end up?
just a few

Post by **brixtonmorris** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:32 pm

oh i am such a stick in the mud hahahaha

Post by **brixtonmorris** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:34 pm

ps why is it going to be banned and replaced by water based paint
c ya

Post by **jonathon** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:39 pm

Ehh ! scratches are easy enough, although if bad enough it should be resprayed antway even if in cellulose, Its only bad for you if you breath it in as cellulose,the waste is recycled back to thinners or gunwash the rest probably ends up in the same place as cellulose bye products.
No I wouldn't say you were a stick in the mud but probably dilusional from cellulose fumes.

Post by **brixtonmorris** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:40 pm

chickenjohn wrote:

How glossy the end result is depends on how long you spend flatting, buffing and polishing afterwards!!
!

this is the reason why 2 pac took off
less labour and more profit for the car sprayers

with 2 pac it has a laquer that gives the shine and its also what goes off in the sun, and there nothing you can do about it but let it disintergrate and get it resprayed again. more profit for the car sprayers

Post by **jonathon** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:59 pm

Water based paint will only replace some 2K paints not all at first. Solid colour will be replaced but clear overs will still have a 2k element. I think the assumption that 2k allows car sprayers to make more money is ill founded. Firstly the bodyshop needed to inves in better filtered booth new spray guns, breathin equipment and a very high tax on emmissions and environmental tax, plus the cost of disposing of any bye products.
Cellulose is a very labour intensive way to paint, you spend longer in the booth plus time to wet flat and polish to a finish, 2K paint in most bodyshops can be applied in only two coats and many shops do not bother to cut and polish. Just look at Peugeot, Ford and BMW cars to see how not to finish paint a car. The quality is awfull, and would not be acceptable in our shop. So less time to paint and finish why would it cost more. Folk have asked on this forum about pro resprays in cellulose and found that if performed correctly the cost would be conciderably more. Think again now that 2K is to be sidelined, we now have to uprate our booth, to allow greater air movement, as its this that dries the paint cost nearly £3000 new srpayguns, cost £250-300, time allowance to learn to spray waterbased paint. The latter in our own time and not on customers cars I might add.
I'm not aware of the problems associated with laquer going of in the sun.
Not too sure why genuinely good paint shops, recieve the butt end of this humour. Do we all not work to recieve a wage, some I presume maybe seen as more deserving that others.

Post by **bigginger** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:05 pm

Sure you don't want a car to learn on?

Post by **jonathon** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:15 pm

Thanks for the offer Andrew, I'll plod on with the 2K route until its completly outlawed in about two years time. Fortunately my new employee, who also works for wages, is trained in painting with water the based stuff,and I'm hoping that a future employee we are taking on in May, who I presume will also want to work for wages, will be upto speed with this product.
Might be interested in painting a pick up though Andrew or was that a gramatical (slip of the tongue) mistake you made saying a car.

Post by **bigginger** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:04 pm

Well, it IS a sort of car... and they'll all be going down the sprayed outside when the neighbours are away route...

Post by **Onne** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:03 pm

Well, if you want somebody without any experience in paint (except some excellent in the shed work)
I have used 2k at home, with breathing equipment. Went horribly wrong...

O and I have a car you try on. Platinum Grey please!

Post by **brixtonmorris** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:12 pm

jonathon wrote:Nah ! thats just an old wifes tale