Clutch problem

Post by **fablovely** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:13 am

Matt adjusted the clutch (thanks Matt) but still it doesn't move.
It's in London on a busy road (Earl's Court area.) I've found a clutch for £57.00 inc, which I hope is a good price, and now I need to get it fitted. I might not be able to do this for about three/four weeks (have to save up.) Please does anyone know of a cheap garage near tthe area who might be up for replacing it? I hope I'm allowed to ask this on the noticeboard, I'm still not sure of all the rules.
Fablovely

Post by **bmcecosse** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:33 pm

Most unusual for the clutch to fail completely - although I did once pull the centre out of a plate. Otherwise it really should move ok, at least in the lower gears - just slip horribly under load. Are you SURE the clutch is the problem ? Sorry - I'm miles away from you so can't offer any advice re garage - but there must be owners near you who can help or advise.

Post by **fablovely** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:04 pm

Not sure at all. Engine seems okay, so do gears. The car just doesn't move. The clutch was fine until the other day when noise started and car didn't move properly. It was all very sudden, not like when the clutch went on another car I had. Matt noticed something worn with regsrds to the clutch.

Post by **bmcecosse** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:10 pm

Aye - but what did he notice ?? Are you sure it's not a half-shaft that's broken - that does bring things to a sudden stop! To check - look under when the car is trying to move (obviously you need two for this!) and see if the prop shaft is turning - in fact sudden thought - does the speedo read mph even though the car is not moving ?

Post by **Cam** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:55 pm

I think Matt checked and the prop was stationary which would rule out a broken half-shaft. Seems the engine is turning but there's no output from the gearbox. Most likely clutch related but not impossible to be the gearbox itself. Needs a look really. Unfortunately I'm miles away from you too.

Post by **Matt** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:05 pm

The clutch on it is about 15 years old (or at least that what I think I was told)

Adjusting for wear in the clutch made no difference.

I looked through the little inspection hole and the thrust bearing has no carbon left what so ever!

BMC definately not a 1/2 shaft... there is no drive to the propshaft

Now its either the clutch or something serious in the box..... and considering where its parked I could only jack up and get under the car from the front....

Anyway, dont try and carry a trolley jack, 2 axle stands and a bag of tools over a mile.... it hurts!

Post by **fablovely** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:00 pm

The half-shaft and the diff have been repaired/replaced within this year, so it shouldn't be them. Hope you got back in time Matt

also the gearbox was looked at around August...
I'm trying not to give up on it...

Post by **Pyoor_Kate** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:22 am

I have had a clutch suddenly fail with these symptoms, granted it was in a Golf, but one minute I had drive; did a 3 point turn, went to pull away and had no drive at all. It hadn't slipped up to that point it just 'went'.

Poor old fablovely, if you were in Brizzy I'd offer to help, but London's a bit far away... Don't give up though, a worn out clutch isn't the end of the world... (although it sounds like your financial situation's as good as mine, so it can feel a bit like it).

Post by **rayofleamington** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:52 pm

I have had a clutch suddenly fail with these symptoms

This happened to 'gluck' one or 2 years ago - everything fine and suddenly the clutch disk broke, giving no drive.

Unfortunately the only way to tell between a broken gearbox and broken clutch disk with these symptoms is to dissassemble everything

Post by **fablovely** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:39 pm

Thanks for the support all

The good thing is I've found a clutch at what seems to be a reasonable price. The not so good thing is it'll be a while before I can afford it and the repair...but that's okay, there's a lot worse going on on the planet than the clutch going on my Moggie!

Post by **bmcecosse** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:10 pm

Let's hope it is just the clutch plate then - note there are two sizes - one for 948 and bigger one for 1098.

Post by **fablovely** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:32 am

The quote was for a 1098, but the chap said up to 1969 which I thought a bit odd, cos mine was manufactured in 1971.

Post by **Willie** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:05 am

Don't worry as long it is the 1098 type there will be problems.

Post by **bigginger** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:47 am

I think that should read "NO problems" - the clutches were/are the same on '69 and '71 models. I have both, and they are, honest

Post by **Willie** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:23 pm

OOPS.....NO problems it should be, thanks.

Post by **bigginger** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:28 pm

Post by **fablovely** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:39 pm

Does anyone know if clutch centres are any good at sorting Moggy clutches within earth prices (just had a quote that was off the planet...£90.00 for the clutch plus £140.00 labour, not including vat!!!) Considering the quotes I had for clutches, it seems a tad high...oh to be back in Wales...

Post by **Matt** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:51 pm

Ask if you can supply the parts... they will cost less that way (You also need a "thrust bearing" the bit I said was worn out)

Sorry I can't really do it at the moment....

Post by **Cam** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:51 am

Well, I've no idea what 'modern' type garages charge for these type of things, but it's much easier (and therefore quicker) to change a Moggy clutch than a modern front-wheel-drive car's clutch. Especially if you have a ramp (which they do).

Trouble is that the clutch is in between the engine and gearbox so you have to take them apart from one another to get at the clutch and it's that that takes the time. Once the gearbox has been removed the actual 'clutch fitting' only takes a couple of minutes. It the mucking about getting to the clutch that takes the time and labour charge.

Post by **ianselva** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:10 am

What about these mobile clutch clinics ?, they ought to be cheaper as they have virtually no overheads.
Can you not get a sight of the gearbox input shaft through one of the holes in the bellhousing. If it is going round while the propshaft is not when the car is in gear , the clutch is probably OK and it must be the gearbox, although I can't think of any way you would get no drive in any gear.