Another brake question

Post by **New_Boy_Traveller** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:02 pm

See these:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Morris-Minor-Disc ... otohosting

are these cheap and other than what is listed on the add what would I need to put these on....are they good??????

I just cant afford £500 for a diskbrake when I really need to get new wood as well!

Dan

Post by **Cam** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:05 pm

Looks good! If they are in good condition then they will be ideal for your needs.

You'll also need a remote reservoir and need to modify the master cylinder by removing a little rubber cup and that's it!

Post by **New_Boy_Traveller** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:06 pm

So, cam what are the benefits of these, can i put them on without the reservoir...how would I go about it??

Post by **Cam** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:26 pm

You can install them without the reservoir, but don't use them! You need the reservoir as disc brakes displace more fluid than drums, so they need the extra fluid reserve.

What do you mean by "what are the benefits of these"? They make you stop better!!

They will be better than drum brakes, but not as good as the JLH kit. They should be fine though if you have a standard engine and are not trying to break any land speed records!!

When you get the kit simply replace the existing components with the new ones. Oh and if you are replacing the suspension uprights too then you'll need to get the tracking done afterwards as it will be out.

Post by **New_Boy_Traveller** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:30 pm

cam you are to far ahead of me lol, i have no idea how to fit these is it possible you could give me a run through of step by step what to do????? thanks....are they a good buy at £160 and do they come up alot?

Post by **bigginger** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:55 pm

If they are in good nick, I'd say that was a fair price. Do you have a workshop manual? The procedure for replacing the king piin should be in there.

Post by **Cam** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:01 pm

Yes, a manual is the way to go, but if you don't feel happy doing it yourself then perhaps you'll have to get someone else to do it.

Post by **New_Boy_Traveller** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:12 pm

Doesnt matter now, im gutted I was to late!!!! Got to keep looking.

Post by **jonathon** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:21 pm

NBT

I've sent you a PM

Post by **bigginger** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:19 pm

New_Boy_Traveller wrote:Doesnt matter now, im gutted I was to late!!!! Got to keep looking.

%£@&**€!!!

Post by **bmcecosse** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:59 pm

Just get Wolseley front brakes - bolt straight on without all the drama of the disks - and you don't need to fiddle with the master cylinder and, guess what - they WORK ! Oh - and they will be half the cost of even these (cheap) disks !

Post by **Multiphonikks** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:40 pm

You know, perhaps we should just arrange a magazine article on the different types of breaks... and compare them.

Same car body - same engine... same speed. Let's see which kit stops first.

If Wolseley brakes are the best you can get then...well... I'll put 'em on my bike ;)

Post by **bmcecosse** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:21 pm

It's brakes - not breaks !
Once the wheels are locked it doesn't matter what kind of brakes they are. Advantage of W brakes is - they WORK, they bolt straight on, they don't need the master cylinder to be fiddled with, they don't need a servo, and the cost is very reasonable !! Other than that - i can't think of any more advantages. They might be a bit heavy for a bike.

Post by **bigginger** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:48 pm

Disadvantages of W brakes - they're hard to find, offer no real advantage over the standard drums (they're still drums, with all the attendant maintenance and fade problems) and (I've heard) tricky to find parts for. If you want them, find some and fit them. I don't and haven't.

Post by **Pyoor_Kate** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:49 pm

Advantage of W brakes is - they WORK, they bolt straight on, they don't need the master cylinder to be fiddled with, they don't need a servo, and the cost is very reasonable !!

And the disadvantages are:
-They are getting very uncommon, (are the parts shared with anything else, incidentally, 'cos otherwise replacing the shoes is going to become a pig...)
- They still need adjusting frequently and are much higher maintainance than disks
- They still fade (because they're drum brakes)
- Should you wish to upgrade your engine later (which is a possibility if you've upgraded to disk brakes) they're not really suitable

Incidentally, istr you can perfectly well fit disks without a servo, just some of us happen to be used to servos and like them.

Post by **bigginger** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:51 pm

SNAP! You can fit discs/no servo, BTW - both Cam and I have exactly that.

Oops - forgot to say, Discs bolt straight on too (with most kits), and the "fiddling with the master clylinder" consists of removing one washer.

Post by **bmcecosse** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:55 pm

Excellent - servos should be banned !
Aye - but to get to that washer you need to pull the master cylinder out - and take it to bits - at which point you may as well fit a new set of seals, or a replacement master cylinder. It's a fair bit of work !

Post by **Pyoor_Kate** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:59 pm

Excellent - servos should be banned!

Why, exactly?

SNAP!

Great minds think alike... (and we'll skip the end of that shall we

)

Post by **bigginger** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:00 pm

That IS the end of it

Post by **jonathon** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:06 pm

I think the fitting of a servo is a very personal decision. I feel that to experience the best from disc brakes a servo definately will help. I do not like the feel of discs without a servo as they seem too heavy and not as responsive, or delicate. I'm sure non servo folk will say this but from the opposite perspective. There is nothing inherently wrong with servo's, and they can proove rewarding to use if your leg strength is not that great, or you are using the brakes repetitively in city traffic. I presume that BM has had a bad experience of servo's to hold such a strong opinion, seems strange that most cars from the 1970's to date have had these as standard equipment though!