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Bits I need for engine after camshaft removal 1275

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Hi again. questions, questions!

I am trying to thouroughly prepare for the camshaft change in my 1275 A+ engine.

I have been through the proceedure in the Ital manual several times and am trying to make sure I cover all eventualities (I know something else will crop up :o )!

The gaskets it says I need (excluding the cylinder head gaskets) are:

1. Sump gaskets
2. Backplate gasket
3. timing cover gasket

It also says I need a 'suitable non-hardening jointing compound' for the sump side gaskets.

So, is this all the gaskets I need, where can I get these from (somewhere reliable?) and what is this 'suitable non-hardening jointing compound'!

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Post by KirstMin »

Will this do the trick?

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Post by Pyoor_Kate »

That timing cover gasket doesnae look right to me. The Ital one has a kink in it. Essentially though, that's the kind of thing you're after.

If you can get one, you want the Payen Rubber gasket set*; and yeah, you might as well get a whole engine gasket set.

The loctite silicone non-hardening jointing compound seems to have done me pretty well; I prefer it to the traditional stuff which I've forgotten the name of, just because that kept setting in the tube (and if it's setting in the tube... then surely it's hardening....).

* In this, the two seals at the ends of the sump are made of rubber instead of cork and they seal waaaay better than the cork ones; however, they're not made anymore :(
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Post by KirstMin »

hiya, thanks for the reply. Yes, Ive just noticed the kink in the timing cover in the Ital manual. Is there anywhere that sells Ital bottom end gasket sets?

PS: where do you get your loctite silicone non-hardening jointing compound? :D
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Post by Pyoor_Kate »

Bham mog centre did me one, my local motor factors could order them in (but not the rubber ones)

And the loctite stuff came from Patchway Auto Parts, which is probably not much use to you (unless you fancy popping over to Bristol) - but it's just a good local autofactor :-)
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Post by KirstMin »

brilliant, thanks. :D
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Post by Cam »

Halfords sell 'Hylomar blue' which is a non-setting jointing compound ideal for sumps.

Most Minor places now sell the Ital 'kinked' timing cover gasket. I think my last noe was from Birmingham though - even though actually now I don't have the kinked cover, just the oval Minor one.

The rest of the gaskets sould be fine.
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Post by Pyoor_Kate »

Hylomar, that's it. That's the stuff which keeps setting in tubes. 3 of them I've got through. Caps on nice and tight, feel squidgy, take object off, go to smear gasket goo on it, discover that it's that special squidgy that stuff goes which doesn't come out of the tube but is still sort of squidgy.

Not that the loctite stuff is better... it's just better so far
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Post by Cam »

Kate, Hylomar do non-setting and setting compounds. The non-setting I have had has not set after 12+ months in the tube. Maybe you've got the 'setting' compound then?
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Proper blue hylomar doesn't ever set. Mine is 20+ years old and still fine. Get a timing case cover gasket for a Mini - has the kink in it for the tension unit - and be sure to fit a new oil seal in the timing case. If it's duplex gears it probably doesn't have the tensioner - and so the old style timing case with the non-kinky gasket can be used. Out of interest - what cam are you fitting ? You don't need to take the sump off if it's just a cam change.
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Post by bigginger »

Sounds good enough to use to fill the dampers in ones rally Moggy...
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Post by Pyoor_Kate »

That's the thing though. I had old tubes of Hylomar and they didn't set. The new 'non-setting' stuff smells different and seems to go semi-hard in the tube (i.e. hard enough that it's not usable). The Loctite instant gasket / gasket blue non-setting so far hasn't done that :)
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Post by KirstMin »

HDM113C wrote:Out of interest - what cam are you fitting ? You don't need to take the sump off if it's just a cam change.
Is that the case with an ital 1275 A+ I'm sure that in the manual it says to flip the engine on its head and remove the sump.
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Post by Cam »

Well you DO need to remove the sump if you are fitting new cam followers (which the manual probably assumes).
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Post by Multiphonikks »

HDM113C wrote:Proper blue hylomar doesn't ever set. Mine is 20+ years old and still fine. Get a timing case cover gasket for a Mini - has the kink in it for the tension unit - and be sure to fit a new oil seal in the timing case. If it's duplex gears it probably doesn't have the tensioner - and so the old style timing case with the non-kinky gasket can be used. Out of interest - what cam are you fitting ? You don't need to take the sump off if it's just a cam change.
BMC, surely it's easier to remove the sump - especially if you're doing a full off-car job? :)
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Post by KirstMin »

I am fitting new followers and so will be removing the sump. If I'm going to do a job (and Ive never done this before), I might as well do it by the book :D :D
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