Nice story

[Bill_qaz]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/classi ... ris-minor/

Nice story about the car and some interesting comments on emissions.
I am not connected to or promoting the paper

[Mervin]

Sadly it can't be read (by me) without signing up.

[svenedin]

I can’t read it either

Stephen

[Bill_qaz]

Sadly it can't be read (by me) without signing up.

Sorry I had same issue when a friend sent it to my email.
I entered my email read the story then unsubscribe, you don't need to sign up for an account. I was thinking of copy and pasting the article but worried about copyright.

[mobylette]

gone

[bobtail4x4]

thanks for that

[ManyMinors]

It is indeed a nice story
Although for your only car to cover 8,000 miles over 25years does suggest that it doesn't do many journeys. That's only about 300 miles per year!

[mobylette]

I will delete shortly before I get into trouble

[svenedin]

Good story and I like the fact that the article made some effort to dispel eco myths about classic cars. For instance quoting that the Minor in question produces 563 grammes of CO2 per year (admittedly doing a low mileage) vs 6.8 metric tons of C02 to produce a new battery powered car. That's 3,413 times more C02 to make a new battery car than the Minor emits per year......Draw your own conclusions.....

Stephen

[ndevans]

Good story and I like the fact that the article made some effort to dispel eco myths about classic cars. For instance quoting that the Minor in question produces 563 grammes of CO2 per year (admittedly doing a low mileage) vs 6.8 metric tons of C02 to produce a new battery powered car. That's 3,413 times more C02 to make a new battery car than the Minor emits per year......Draw your own conclusions.....

Stephen

563 grammes of CO2?

563 kg sounds a bit more like it.

563g is about how much my Minor emits every 3-4 miles (based on 1 litre of petrol producing ~ 2 kg of CO2 when fully burnt)

[svenedin]

I don’t know. I can’t access the article now.

[Mr Spigot]

There seem to be different reports about the report! I found this from an article in Motoring in June 2022:
"The study from specialist insurer Footman James says that, with an average classic car covering just 1,200 miles over the course of a year, these models emit an average of 563kg of CO2 per year.
In contrast, the report claims an average passenger car (a Volkswagen Golf is used as an example) has a 6.8-tonne carbon footprint immediately after it’s produced. For EVs, this number is a huge 26 tonnes of carbon dioxide from production. This is based on a Polestar 2’s production, with the Swedish EV manufacturer being very open about a car’s lifetime environmental footprint."
563kg seems more likely, but still well below the figures for modern car production.
A subsequent search revealed the actual report from Footman James, the relevant section being on page 39:
https://www.footmanjames.co.uk/media/82 ... 22-8mb.pdf

[svenedin]

Clearly I have quoted the wrong figure and I could not re-access the article to supply the correct number.

I think these comparisons are important. I am suspicious that there is a lot of "greenwashing" going on (pushing the "green" agenda when the figures do not stack up). Anybody who challenges the green politics is rubbished and labelled some kind of idiot. The trouble is we are not given the figures to make proper comparisons of the environmental impacts of the entire production process, lifetime of the vehicle and disposal/recycling at the end of the vehicle's life. For instance, I notice that there are vast numbers of SUV type vehicles on the roads today. These are heavy vehicles and regardless of the means of propulsion they require more energy. Not only that, if they are powered by batteries they have to haul the weight of those batteries around with them all the time.....

Stephen

[Mr Spigot]

Exactly. These stickers are available from the Scimitar Owners Club. Perhaps MMOC should do the same?

[philipkearney]

The Austin Seven club do a similar sticker but they can claim '100years' instead of 50 !

[bobtail4x4]

Exactly. These stickers are available from the Scimitar Owners Club. Perhaps MMOC should do the same?

or you can just buy from them?

[mobylette]

Clearly I have quoted the wrong figure and I could not re-access the article to supply the correct number.

I think these comparisons are important. I am suspicious that there is a lot of "greenwashing" going on (pushing the "green" agenda when the figures do not stack up). Anybody who challenges the green politics is rubbished and labelled some kind of idiot. The trouble is we are not given the figures to make proper comparisons of the environmental impacts of the entire production process, lifetime of the vehicle and disposal/recycling at the end of the vehicle's life. For instance, I notice that there are vast numbers of SUV type vehicles on the roads today. These are heavy vehicles and regardless of the means of propulsion they require more energy. Not only that, if they are powered by batteries they have to haul the weight of those batteries around with them all the time.....

Stephen

You did quote correctly from the article ". It showed that with an average annual mileage of 1,200 miles, a typical classic will emit about 563 grams of CO2 a year, against a CO2 hit of up to 6.8 tonnes for a typical new EV."

[ndevans]

Clearly I have quoted the wrong figure and I could not re-access the article to supply the correct number.

I think these comparisons are important. I am suspicious that there is a lot of "greenwashing" going on (pushing the "green" agenda when the figures do not stack up). Anybody who challenges the green politics is rubbished and labelled some kind of idiot. The trouble is we are not given the figures to make proper comparisons of the environmental impacts of the entire production process, lifetime of the vehicle and disposal/recycling at the end of the vehicle's life. For instance, I notice that there are vast numbers of SUV type vehicles on the roads today. These are heavy vehicles and regardless of the means of propulsion they require more energy. Not only that, if they are powered by batteries they have to haul the weight of those batteries around with them all the time.....

Stephen

You did quote correctly from the article ". It showed that with an average annual mileage of 1,200 miles, a typical classic will emit about 563 grams of CO2 a year, against a CO2 hit of up to 6.8 tonnes for a typical new EV."

Then I think there is a journalist who does not understand basic maths.

1 litre of petrol burnt produces ~ 2.3 kg of CO2. (Source:- https://comcar.co.uk/emissions/co2litre/)

Assuming 44.5mpg (to make the numbers simple), 1 litre will be consumed in 10 miles*, therefore each mile leads to approx. 0.23kg (230g) of CO2 emissions.

* as there are 4.54 litres in a gallon

Only a thousand out as my Level 3 Engineering Science lecturer was fond of saying.
But then this is the Telegr@ph, which is only the D@!ly M@!l with longer words and fewer pictures.

[ndevans]

Setting aside the science, I have long been of the opinion that cars should be run until they are either not capable of being repaired, or it is simply uneconomic to repair (usually the same thing). The combined age of both my cars is 76, and the modern has 20 of those.

[mobylette]

The combined age of my three is 135, modern only 10 (MM 1961, LR 1964, Yeti 2015)