This Europe referendum malarkey

[LobbyLudd]

U.S. Declaration of Independance = 1,300 words

U.S. Constitution (including all 27 amendments) = 7,818 words

E.E.C. regulations on the sale of CABBAGE = 26,911
Yes, twenty six thousand,nine hundred and eleven

[les]

thanks les i didnt think anyone would remember toc h lamps.

I was told about Toc h by a lovely old guy I used to visit regularly, he was quite a character with plenty of tales to tell, didn't throw anything away and made use of everything. Sadly not with us now, I miss him.

[Dean]

I've googled some stats, we import more from the EU than we export (most comes from France and Germany). Something tells me therefore, they need us more than we need them. So it begs the question, if we do leave, will they throw away those Billions of Euro's worth of trade in spite? I think not personally.

[olderisbetter]

I have never been into politics, But when i think about it the longer men in suits argue about what we are not having the richer they get, I do not mind anyone being rich or super rich just pay some damn tax in the country you made the money in.

[twincamman]

If the government wins the referendum, do you think they'll be argueing for Panama to join the EU?

[POMMReg]

UK is merely a trading estate; everything has either been privatised or sold to US corporations.

Anyone on here watch the Kaiser report on RT?

This IS Capitalism, what do you expect - how can any country survive on credit and a service economy - at some point the whole thing will implode.

[mike.perry]

I do not recognise the EC as a sovereign state so why should I have their flag and logo on official documents such as passport and drivers licence, and modern car registration plates (I have covered those with a Union Flag sticker)? Next they will be trying to impose an EU national anthem on us!

[panky]

When the referendum was first announced it was around the time that the EU legislation on classics regarding MOT's/originality/modifications etc had first come to the fore, then I heard about the REACH regulation (Europe) being expanded to include the potential of asbestos in classics and the restrictions imposed because of it. I was incensed I must admit and I had a double knee jerk reaction, that's it I want out, I thought - but then I thought maybe I'm being too selfish in my views, maybe I should take a breath and look at the big picture. I did and decided that the legislation that has been planned or introduced for old cars is just a typical example of the narrow mindedness and blinkered view of the Eurocrats who have the audacity to actually say they represent the views of the citizens of our country and those of other nations. Maybe it's my fault and only hear the voice of the popular press that only feed us with the bad stuff that goes on in Brussels, maybe we don't get to hear about the wonderful work the EU do to enhance our lives and share the joy of the European community, but I think I've heard enough to convince me that I really do want OUT.

Deep breath, deep breath. deep breath.

[SteveClem]

Catching up after a couple of days away...looks like the team are mostly 'outers'...
Interesting.

[sid]

Don't send it to Downing street Mike. Instead mail it in another envelope to Scamerons Witney Constituency address with no stamp. This way the local party pays for this not we taxpayers. Shameful waste of taxpayers money and against what was agreed at the announcement of this much needed Referendum. Vote Leave.

excellent idea my leaflet is on it's way back to mr camoron.

[les]

He's probably read it, send him one that gives the opposite view!

[john newton]

if 80 per cent of wealth is owned by 10 percent of the populace would we be free of debt if tax paid like us?

[les]

I don't know. However debt appears to be an accepted way of life, plenty of people live that way, I vaguely remember when you saved up for something you wanted.

[olderisbetter]

I don't know. However debt appears to be an accepted way of life, plenty of people live that way, I vaguely remember when you saved up for something you wanted.

What shocks me is the 2500% APR that seems normal, i remember when loan sharks did'nt have catchy tunes and expensive tv adverts, and yes i was also bought up to think you had to save up for something or accept i could not afford it, but it seems you just get credit for something now and by the time you have paid it off the itam is out of date and has no value.

[moggiethouable]

Well, Britains car manufacturing industry may not be wholly indigenous, but we make here almost as many cars now as we did in the 1970s.This is relevant to our standing in the E.U. because of the following.
Bearing in mind how important that industry is lets have a potted history, Nissan (we helped Nissan, then Datsun, establish their manufacturing plant in Japan in 1952 when Leonard Lord showed them how Austin did it, we supplied the automated lines for installation by a then small Japanese company known as Hitachi.We also let them build the A series engine under licence.
All this with the encouragement of our American cousins who needed an ally in the pacific to counter the Soviet threat, all part of what was the "Marshall Plan"
Nissan returned the favour by establishing Nissan manufacturing uk where they now make the Qashqai, Juke, Q30 and Infiniti saloon models, employing in excess of 7000 people and who knows how many more in the supply chain.
Of course they were not returning a favour, they use us as a bridge to avoid punitive taxes that would be levied in Europe if they manufactured in Japan and simply shipped them in direct from their home base.
If however we leave Europe there is less incentive to build here, I have not yet also mentioned Honda uk who make the Jazz and Civic in Swindon, or Toyota Burniston, or the assembly plant that still exists in Longbridge assembling MG for their Chinese owners, or all the other manufacturers that would suffer taxes on exports if we were to leave.
We dont have control of our export markets any more as we did during days of Empire, we do however still punch above our weight in the world markets, partly because of support within Europe, I will be voting to stay in on our terms, much as it grieves me to side with this government.

[les]

Ye of little faith!

[sid]

the EU is sinking fast..we need to get out in our only chance of doing so.i'm not anti-Tory but Cameron is playing on peoples fears in his desperate attempt to keep us in..so he can swan off and get a top job in Brussels,whilst us still stuck here get swamped with 'migrants'

[SteveClem]

Our government leaflet arrived today. I'm a bit underwhelmed. It seems to be aimed at a 7 year old.
And it didn't mention the old car issue....
There's a really interesting post on another classic forum. A 2007 EU directive advising nations that governments should not tell citizens how to vote in a referendum.
Also a fascinating explanation of why our laws...think classic cars...are so relaxed and continental laws are not. It's down to history apparently. In the UK things are legal unless a law is passed to make them not so. Most of Europe follows Napoleonic law which seems to dictate that everything is illegal unless a law is passed to make it ok. Now I'm not a lawyer,so I've no idea if this is true or not,but it seems to explain a lot.

[alanworland]

Had our booklet delivered today as well.
Lancaster flew over and thousands came tumbling out!

Alan

[MarkyB]

http://www.snopes.com/language/document/cabbage.asp

Claim: A government memo regulating the sale of cabbages ran close to 27,000 words.

FALSE