indicators

[davidmtr71]

I have a 71 traveller and the repeater on the indicator stalk stays on in the cancelled position still flashing? any ideas I have fitted a new flasher unit and played about with the wires in different positions on the unit but it would seem that the unit is wired up right, any offers.

[GBond]

I had problems just yesterday with my indicator stalk switch and I believe your problem might also lie there, and not in the flasher unit.

The way the switch works is with a sliding contact that is pushed by a spring; if this contact gets bent the indicators can stop working or get stuck in the "on" position, as I believe has happened to you.

The flasher unit should get no power with the switch in the "off" position.

[davidmtr71]

Hi Gbond
I am beginning to think that the problem may be as you say I shall have another go tomorrow, but the stalk
appears to be wired up right but I did make a repair to the wire for the repeat lamp, thanks for the input
I shall let you know if I get a result.

[bmcecosse]

All connectors on the flasher unit in correct order?

[davidmtr71]

No the only way I can get the indicators to operate is the way it was wired when I purchased the car ie; the light green connection is as it should be but the dark green and the green/brown are reversed? I have tried wiring it up as per diagram
but the indicators won't work then.

[bmcecosse]

I don't think the green and green/brown orientation matters at all. As long as the light green is on the middle terminal.

[davidmtr71]

Hi I have got the light green cable on the middle spade on the unit with the same result? I will post a reply when I get a solution. Thanks again for taking the time to respond.

[bmcecosse]

Have you checked if the wires are correctly connected where they meet the harness from the indicator switch?

[davidmtr71]

Every thing is wired as should be from stalk to harness I have just been making sure that the sliding connector that gives you left or right is working as it should and it seems to be ok I am stumped, could this be an earthing problem? I have cleaned all the earth points ie: each rear bumper hanger and the flasher to the bulkhead, Looks like the only way out now is a new indicator stalk unit but I realy want to solve the problem.

[davidmtr71]

Hi all that responded to my Indicator problem I have deceided to get a new unit as I suspect the fault lies with the repair I made on the cable from the repeater lamp, I suspect that the soldered joint is catching on the casing and causing the problem as every thing else checks out and works I cannot redo the joint as the cable is to short so thanks again all who joined in to help.

[davidmtr71]

Hi All bought a new flasher stalk as I said but I am no further on the repeater lamp is still on in the cancelled position, I have
even rechecked the wiring to the rear lamps and the earth connections at the rear could my new flasher unit be a dud? if not then I am at a loss as to what the problem is, I don't want to get an electrition in as would like to solve the problem myself and gain the knowledge of how the indicating system works or not in this case. I still have the original flasher unit and have tried it back on the car but it was the same result.

[meh]

Quite a few indicator units that I have found are in a normally closed position at rest, which will cause that problem

[mogbob]

David
Can we have a re- cap please.
New Indicator stalk and flasher can.All wired up as per wiring diagram, except for the swop of the Green / Brown and Green ( power supply usually ) on the flasher unit.Light green wire, on the P terminal, to repeater light.

Wires follow their colours and good earth connection.No different coloured wires into a double connector along the way ,not as per wiring diagram ?
Do the external lights flash on the correct sides when you operate the stalk ? Is the repeater light on the whole time the ignition is on, regardless of the stalk position ?

For the light to be on all the time, there must be a power source and an earth.We have to question if the two sources are correct , remedy them if not and then question ,if correct ,. whether the new flasher can is duff.

Do you own / have access to a multi meter ?
Bob

[davidmtr71]

Hi Bob. As far as I know the indicators are wired correctly as was when it came out of the factory there are no signs of disturbance on that part of the loom still full of dust, and no different coloured wires appearing from nowhere the only colour change at a connector is the purple/white coming from the loom to a double connector and a brown out that goes to the horn, both indicators are working fine with no signs of poor earths each sidelight is on and stays lit when indicators are flashing there dosn't seem to be anything adrift apart from the repeater lamp flashing when the ignition is turned on no other lights dim when the indicators are operating, its so frustrating unless I am thinking totally the wrong way about it. I do have a multi meter but I am not very good with them.
As far as I can remember the original Lucas flasher unit that was on the car was probably ok and initionaly the only fault I had was the broken wire to the right rear indicator lamp so I ran a new wire and got all 4 working Could the broken/damaged wire that is still within the loom be the problem? now I am clutching at straws, but what else have I got to hold on to?

Regards a very puzzled David

[mogbob]

Sorry for the " third degree " interrogation but hopefully being precise about the symptoms, will lead us to the solution.

You say

" each sidelight is on and stays lit when indicators are flashing there doesn't seem to be anything adrift apart from the repeater lamp flashing when the ignition is turned on ".

If I've understood correctly, you jump in the car ,switch on the ignition and indicator light on the stalk starts flashing immediately, although the stalk is in the neutral position.
Presumably it continues flashing when you then indicate left or right ? Only stopping when the ignition is switched off completely ?

When you indicate left or right ...the side lights come on as well ? Just on the side you are indicating or all four of the side lights, front and back ?
The indicators should work independently of side lights i.e regardless of day or night scenario.Do the sidelights/ headlights work OK from the lighting switch, on and off ? The Lighting side is non ignition controlled/ un fused.The indicator wiring is ignition controlled and fused.
Therefore if the sidelights are coming on, when you indicate, then something really weird is going on !!

Do you still have the old flasher can / cylinder ? If the damaged wire at the rear of car is not connected to anything at either end then you can ignore it.

Your replacement wire ( Right hand rear indicator ) Green / White colour was fitted with a bullet connector and inserted in the double connector ( in the steering wheel mini loom exiting under the dash by the steering column, single IN ( from flasher switch )Green / White wire, two OUT ( Right hand front and Right hand rear ) Green/ White wires ?
You've certainly laid down a challenge for us ... but the Forum team will crack it for you.... sooner rather than later we hope.
Bob

[davidmtr71]

Thanks Bob
For the info it would seem that I have muddied the waters slightly, the side lights and rear lights work as they should and the head lights work as they should so we can discount those as they are working correctly and as you say the (new wire) that I have run from front to back to power the rear right indicator is ok and you don't think that the old wire left in the loom would cause a problem as it is not connected to anything front or rear although I did push the end of the new wire into the double connector and used the bullet end to make the connection and again at the rear, so in effect I have two wires running to the same lamp although one is damaged could this be the problem? I expect it will be something simple to rectify its just a case of finding the problem. If I can't sort it this week it is going to have to wait as I am going into hospital on Monday for hip surgery.

[mogbob]

David
The new wire needs a new bullet connector crimped onto the end that joins the mini loom, below the steering wheel , under the dash.A wire end, just poked in, is not a good electrical connection and is likely to come adrift later.The old wire..... disconnected at both ends..... will just sit within the main loom doing nothing.

Two options : -
1 refit the original flasher can and see what happens.Just slip the lucar connectors onto the three pins ( no need to physically swop over the cans until you know it is working properly ).
2.Indicator stalk at rest / not indicating.... BUT light is ON with ignition on correct ? Remove the Light Green wire from the " P " terminal in the middle.Does this turn out the indicator light or is it still ON ?
The " P " terminal should only be powered up when the indicator stalk is up or down, indicating left or right.
If it stays on with this lead disconnected, it must be getting a 12v feed from somewhere else in the system.

Whereabouts are you in the country ? Hope the planned Op goes ahead and that it is successful.You should be out and about,leaping up and down before the Spring lambs.They don't let you lie in bed for long these days I hear.
Bob

[davidmtr71]

Hi Bob
Thanks for sticking with this and the operation did go well as you say they don't want you getting to used to that bed
It was opp Monday up with physio Tues/Wed and discharged Thursday with a brand new suspension leg (Hip Replacement)thanks to Wrightington Hospital near WIGAN. Now getting back to the matter in hand, it may be a few weeks before I can test out your thoughts, but as you say the wire poked into the connection is not a good permenant solution I will change that. I think I shall send for a new can from a different supplier in the mean time to test your other theory out at least I will have a spare then but I'm sure the other one was working fine still after 40 years until I lost faith in it trying to solve this problem.
As I say it may be a couple of weeks before I get back to Maurice but I shall keep in touch to let you know the final outcome.

Regards David

[mogbob]

David
Thanks for the update duly noted.I've sent you a PM.
Bob

[davidmtr71]

Hi everyone, re indicator problem we have success, it turned out to be nothing but a faulty new indicator can!!!! makes you want to spit all the hours that I spent looking for a problem that wasn't there you do start to doubt yourself so let that be a lesson to us all don't turn a potential minor problem into a major search, and thanks to all that chipped in with possible answers.
Many thanks all