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Post by **Serenity** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:50 pm

I dont know if anyone can help with this convoluted question but my mother-in-law has a Traveller thats been sitting in her garage for about 15 years in a bit of a state. Having no interest in it she has since lost the log book and never registered it off road. She would now like to sell it but I'm not sure if she will get fined for not having a SORN and so am reticent to go to the DVLA for a new V5. Does anyone know how I can go about this?
Cheers

Post by **busguy** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:25 pm

She will not get into trouble for not declaring the car SORN as I'm sure anything stored prior to SORN being introduced was exempt. The car may not even have a V5 registration document and may therefore not be listed on the DVLA computer. If you write to them stating that the vehicle has been stored for a considerable time and the reg document has been mislaid they will check their system and either send you a form if it is on the system or say it is not listed. If it is not listed then you will have to provide reg number, chassis number, engine number, etc. and they will probably (no means certainly) let you retain the existing reg number as 'not transferable'. If not they will issue a new non-transferable number to it. That is my understanding of your predicament I hope that helps.

Post by **Serenity** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:52 pm

Thanks very much for that busguy, fingers crossed they let her keep the old plate then.

Post by **rayofleamington** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:51 pm

Serenity,
If it has only been off the road for about 15 years you should have no problem - DVLA will need all the details and they introduced a crazy £19 fee as well, but other than that it is simple.

The police advise people never to buy a car without checking the V5 properly, so the DVLA fee of £19 for re-issuing a piece of paper seems to work against the police's advice (as more cars are now sold without documents due to this daft fee).
As the car is not going to be worth much at all, you have to weigh up the odds of selling without a V5 compared to doing it the right way and loosing out some cash on the deal

Plently of people would take it at face value and buy without a logbook as long as you give plenty of assurances, but there will be some folks who won't touch a car unless the V5 is all in order.

If it has been off the road since before 1971 then you will have more forms to do and more evidence to produce; There is a V765 form for the DVLA and they ask for an owners club sign-off of the documents (presently done by Rob Thomasson for the MMOC). If you have to get a logbook using the V765 then you will only get the reg number as 'non transferrable' which is to stop people from wanting to fraudulently register cars which no longer exist (so they can sell valuable numberplates). This way a car gets to keep its original number even if it was never entered to the computerised records in the early 1970's.

Post by **Chris Morley** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:08 am

I'm not sure if she will get fined for not having a SORN and so am reticent to go to the DVLA for a new V5.

Recently someone on here posted the DVLA regulations and SORN only applied to cars which had been on the road during or after 1998. So you have nothing to worry about and only have to get the new logbook form from the Post Office (and cough up £19

). However the next owner will have to declare SORN.

As for selling the traveller - it depends on the state it's in, but it might be worth very little. I was given one for nothing which needed welding, brakes and woodwork but was still a runner. The best place to sell such a car is E-Bay as people sometimes look for wrecks to restore.

Post by **Serenity** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:39 am

Thanks everybody, I knew I'd come to the right place. You are right though, I'm sure its worth very little, my mother-in-law thought the number plate would be worth something but its likely that even if we get it registered to her car it will end up being non-transferable. I know the car was used in the 80's so hopefully it wont get too complicated.
Thanks

Post by **rayofleamington** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:51 am

I know the car was used in the 80's so hopefully it wont get too complicated.

If that's the case then there is no reason that the numberplate should be non transferrable. If someone had already sold the plate, the DVLA would only have issued an A-reg plate (Age related plates were not available then).