Could this be fraud? (V5c on ebay)

[SpringbokMog]

Selling a V5, chassis plate and number plate with a heap of rusty 1959 traveller spares seems a bit dodgy...
See the link below:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-Travel ... 19d8c3b98f

Not much stopping an MOT tester being hoodwinked by a crafty someone with a screwdriver swapping chassis and number plates with a borrowed and roadworthy Traveller of the same colour to get this '59 er "back on the road"

What are your thoughts?
Worth alerting the DVLA?

[mike.perry]

You must be very careful about making accusations on this website, however you may be guided by your concience.
I think that there are still rules about the transfere and use of number plates

[Dean]

It's against ebay rules that's for sure.

If you scrap a car you are suppose to send the V5c back to the DVLA as it is theirs.

Selling a V5c, number plate and vin is not allowed. A car you can sell, not it's ID.

Why would anyone want to buy an ID I wonder..... ??? To ring... perhaps... or to put an ID on that shell they purchased from ebay that was the same colour as a car that went missing several months ago.

[POMMReg]

I agree with Dean.

This is the problem with the no MoT for pre 1960
Minor's - increasing amount of enquiries we receive
are pre '60 chassis nos with post '60 body nos.

Chris
Minor Identification National Records Register

[kennatt]

just report it to e bay they will take it off..........

[Greengrass]

Its off gone

[welshrat]

Back on again, did not see the original one but guessing its the same one. It also says that there is a completely rusted out bodyshell, no pics tho! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-Travel ... 19d8c639ac

[POMMReg]

Can the vin be read from the plate - we make a list of
'floating' identities too!

Chris
MINRReg

[IaininTenbury]

Technically it's now within the rules as it includes a bodyshell, even though 'completely rusted out' makes it pretty obvious that it's really just an ID being sold.... Personally I wouldn't rate a pre 1960 car as any more desirable than a later one, other than the potential of saving around £40 a year on the MOT test. Big deal...

[drivewasher]

The title/heading still states VC5 logbook

[jagnut66]

Hi,
It is difficult to make comment on the integrity of the seller without it being potentially libellous, however I have to agree with others on here that does 'look like' an invitation to buy the identity of this vehicle.
What would be done with it after is the bit that open to speculation and down to the honesty of the purchaser.
Sometimes we have to accept that these vehicles have got a state where they are fit only for spares, which does not include their identity, as that would be illegal.

Personally I wouldn't rate a pre 1960 car as any more desirable than a later one

I agree, although I would be inclined (if I had the spare cash) to save a split screen traveller, as I believe they are not so common.
Now if he was just selling the number plate itself, I might be interested, to add it to my collection of black and white / silver plates....................
................ I know -- I'm sad!
Best wishes,
Mike.

[IaininTenbury]

Well yes I personally prefer older Minors as I like the period charm, but I can't see the fuss that folk make about them being MOT exempt - you still have to maintain it to roadworthy standards and in someways its more difficult to do that without an annual test (diy brake efficiency test for eg?). If you drive a vehicle not to MOT test standards then you're breaking the law. Simple as that.
Back to the subject, yes he's got round the ebay rules by including the remains of the bodyshell, thus worst case scenario, giving someone the chance to ring a stolen car. However someone may buy it as a mega rebuild job so even reporting it to the DVLA would not acheive anything as its still legit.
It'll be interesting to see if it sells.....

I too have a collection of old number plates on the garage wall. I fond the variety of makes, styles and fonts quite interesting. Oh dear...

[midengineracer]

This is not uncommon in the mini world because of age rules for importing, but the minor is so old that I wouldn't think it would matter in any country now...

[wrcnav01]

I've seen this a few times over the last 18 months , mostly Ford Escort Mexico and Rs logbooks going for huge sums of money..... oh , and dont forget the plates/VIN/V5 come with a completely rusted out bodyshell.
Quick way to turn your Escort base with 1600cc , mexico wings and six dial dash into a proper RS with plates , V5 and VIN's to match to sell to some unsuspecting enthusiast for 3 x times the actual cost.
There are other subtle differences in the type 49 shell , but some buyers will be 'caught' out.
Friend of mine bought a Series 1 Lotus Sunbeam couple of years ago and proudly brought it up for me to see having paid a fair bit of money for it. When parked next to mine they were virtually identical , both Series 1's , in black with silver stripe , both 'W' reg. (1980).
What raised my suspicions was that his vehicle had striped 'piccadilly' interior , something that the Series 11 Lotus had.
When I looked at the VIN plate , it was secured with self tapers and the serial number did not start with 'T4DC*******'.
If you're buying a classic I'm afraid to say you've literally got to be a 'geek' , and know the vehicle inside out.