Horn positions - help please!

[moggy dave]

I am completely rebuilding my 1964 traveller, which I've had for about 32 years!

At some point in the past I fitted air horns and am now putting things back as they should be. I have a pair of original Lucas Horns and cannot for the life of me work out exactly where they fit or if they need any brackets. Has anyone got a photo which shows the mounting position? (I imagine that any post 1963 car will be the same)

Also - what is the correct routing for the brake pipe and wiring loom around the clutch linkage plates?

I would be extremely grateful for any help.

Thanks in anticipation

Dave

[customjob]

The horns would be fitted down on the top of the o/s chassis leg in line with the oil filter, using a 90 degree mounting bracket bolted through the top plate. The wiring harness i think runs along the chassis leg drops down under cluctch linkage as to run a short distance on the bottom of chassis and returns up onto chassis leg and runs through the half moons of the g/box x member. The brake pipe follows the harness route but instead of going under or through the x member it goes over it. The brake pipe for the rear brakes travels through the chassis leg from the master and exits to the rear of the central x member, to a felixi pipe mounting on the underside of the floor just in front of the diff casing.

[mike.perry]

Who is to say what is original and what was fitted by a previous owner. A pair of horns was not fitted as standard but Lucas Windtones were an option in some markets.

[IaininTenbury]

Older Minors with windtone horns, (some single, some twin) were mounted on the radiator support panel ona right angle bracket. If twins, one on each side of the rad, but usually on the o/s. I assume this arrangement was changed when the freshair inlet for the heater (elephants trunk) was introduced which occupies that space. Then the horn bracket was moved to the inner wing, pretty much opposite the engine mounting tower. There should be two holes about 2 inches apart, one above the other for the bracket to fit to. I think only single horns were offered from then onwards, but someone may know better

[LouiseM]

According to Ray Newell’s book, twin horns were standard only on export models. On early Minor’s, home market cars had a single Lucas Windtone horn bolted through the tie plate on the right hand side of the engine.

With the introduction of the Minor 1000 in Oct ‘56 the horn was repositioned on a mounting bracket on the radiator cowling. A new smaller, compact Windtone horn was fitted to 1098cc cars from Sept '62 and from Sept/ Oct ‘63 a revised mounting bracket was used due to the air intake being integrated into the radiator cowl. No mention of the horn ever being fitted to the inner wing as standard but I don’t suppose it matters where it is fitted as long as it works!

Dave - there are some photos here of twin horns fitted to an American traveller:

http://www.mmoc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f= ... n+position

[moggy dave]

Many thanks for the quick replies from you all - the comments have been very helpful.

Off to the garage!

Dave

[IaininTenbury]

Ah yes, I'd forgotten that early cars had them bolted through the tie plate. Of course these cars had solid tie plates without the line of large round holes that later cars have so pleny of room for horn mounting! 63 onwards they were all mounted on the inner wing as I described earlier.

[mike.perry]

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[customjob]

Strange that comment from Ian in Tenbury solid tie plates on early cars? I have Nov 54 and unless i need to go spec savers the inline circular holes are there as i've seen on almost all MM's, series II & 1000 i've seen over the years.

[IaininTenbury]

Lowlights cetainly have them. I'd guess they were solid till around 51-52 but don't know the exact changeover date offhand.

[andy.pointeer]

On my 66 Traveller the horn is on a bracket on the inner o/s wing under the heater air intake[frame][/frame]

[IaininTenbury]

Here's a '49 saloon with the horn bolted directly to the tie plate (no bracket as the horn has a right angle foot for a single bolt to go through. Note, solid tie plate with no round holes![frame][/frame]
And more relavent to the original poster, a 1964 car with the horn attached via a bracket to the inner wing with two bolts, the same a s andy.pointeer's picture and as all later 1000s were. (this car needs a new elephants trunk heater inlet....!)[frame][/frame]

[moggy dave]

Once again, thanks very much for the information and photographs - these have been really helpful. The horns I have are the same as the ones in the last photograph posted by IaininTenbury, so I'll go ahead and fit them to the inner wings. Ill have to make up a couple of brackets as mine have got lost in the dim and distant past.

Dave