A few pick up questions.

[beelzibus]

Hi, I'm just starting the strip down of a late (1970) Minor Pick up for full restoration. Whilst I have no concerns regarding the actual work involved, I'm doing this in a professional capacity for a customer of the business I work for and subsequently it is important for me that I get things right detail wise. I've been lurking a while on here now, and inwardly digested anything I've found regarding the LCV variants but I have a few questions I hope people can answer for me.

I understand that the LCV bonnets are different to the saloons and travellers; In what way are they different?
What colour are the kick panels in an LCV? Are they all black?
Did LCVs have full carpets when new, or a more simple arrangement?
Am I correct in thinking that all LCVs had a shorter bumper that was silver painted and ran without overiders?
Where can I get accurate body/chassis drawings with dimensions? Are any actually available?
Where can I get a decent wiring diagram for this vehicle?

I think that's it for now. Thanks in advance.

[DAVIDMCCULLOUGH]

Hi and welcome!

LCV bonnets didnt have the moulding strip that follows the line from the door and had different badges. The used the older style chrome strip instead of the handle and the short badge the same as the sidevalve and no small badges on the back of the bonnet. Sometimes they only had the front badge and nothing else fitted

Kick plates are usually painted silver although a lot of people prefer body colour.

LCVs came with a rubber mat originally which is no longer made, original ones make a lot of money these days....

Correct on the bumper, shorter and painted silver.

I dont know about drawings or dimensions for LCV but there are some in the haynes manual for the saloon and theres should be a pretty good wiring diagram there as well. Some one on here had posted one that was colour coded which may help you.

[beelzibus]

Hi and welcome!

LCV bonnets didnt have the moulding strip that follows the line from the door and had different badges. The used the older style chrome strip instead of the handle and the short badge the same as the sidevalve and no small badges on the back of the bonnet. Sometimes they only had the front badge and nothing else fitted

Kick plates are usually painted silver although a lot of people prefer body colour.

LCVs came with a rubber mat originally which is no longer made, original ones make a lot of money these days....

Correct on the bumper, shorter and painted silver.

I dont know about drawings or dimensions for LCV but there are some in the haynes manual for the saloon and theres should be a pretty good wiring diagram there as well. Some one on here had posted one that was colour coded which may help you.

Hello David and thanks for the reply, the info on kick plates is handy, I hadn't even contemplated the colour of what I would term sill covers, but if silver is correct, then silver is what they should be, so that's good to know, thanks.
I was actually meaning the trimmed panels (vinyl?) between A pillar and bulkhead. Ours were covered in a rather fetching 70s lounge carpet, along with the sills and inner arches. Your comment about the rubber mat doesn't surprise me, it's common with many other commercial vehicles of all types. So, what is normal procedure? Is there a carpet piece available to replicate the mat and at least provide a modicum of comfort. Alternatively is there any decent pictures of an LCV rubber mat anywhere in order to make such a thing?
Thanks again for your help.

[ASL642]

Take a look in the Restoration Projects section of this site. There are pictures of a full restoration of a pickup in Jersey.
"1971 Jersey Pickup Restoration" by ptitterington.

The panels on the doors are referred to as "door cards". They should be plain and have the pull handle centred about 4" down from the top.

[bmcecosse]

The rubber mat was a moulded item - so not easily replicated. Probably black carpet set will be the answer. And yes - excellent wiring diagram at the head of the electrical section.

[beelzibus]

Today has been a very busy day on the pick up. The engine and box are now out, the cab interior is gutted of every last piece of trim or small part, including all wiring, glass, steering wheel and column, just the metal work now. The cab back is off, and the rear buck is off as well.
Can someone tell me of a good source of correct bolts for various areas, rebuilding this to as near original spec as possible is important to me and the owner, but naturally during stripdown some have had to be ditched as they were rusted or damaged, I won't be replacing them with anything incorrect, so who does correct bolts? Rear buck to lower cab back for example, the row accross the width of the van, I'll need all of those it was far easier to cut through them than struggle with them. Most were rusted beyond help anyway. Also a couple of the screws that hold the rear bumper blocks on. (Rubber buffers). Also one or two of the crossheadcountersunk screws that hold on chain brackets and the like around the tailgate.

Take a look in the Restoration Projects section of this site. There are pictures of a full restoration of a pickup in Jersey.

"1971 Jersey Pickup Restoration" by ptitterington.

The panels on the doors are referred to as "door cards". They should be plain and have the pull handle centred about 4" down from the top.

Hi, I've seen the 'Jersey' pick up, one of the nicest I've seen so far, the metalwork is exemplary. I'll go back and check a few details on that. Thanks for reminding me of that one.
Our doorcards are original and in excellent condition for their age, the pieces I mean are down by your feet, forward of the A pillars, they extend right upto the bulkhead. at the front, and from the top of the sill up to the lower dash/parcel shelf.

[beelzibus]

The rubber mat was a moulded item - so not easily replicated. Probably black carpet set will be the answer. And yes - excellent wiring diagram at the head of the electrical section.

Regarding the mat, I guessed as much, and discussed the same options you've suggested with the owner today. I'll go hunt out that diagram later. Thanks.

[beelzibus]

Right, just been looking at bonnets, 1st off, I'm pretty certain that our bonnet is the original from the pick up, partly because of the vehicles history and partly because it is an LCV bonnet. Or is it?.....
It doesn't have the raised side mouldings, but is does have a 'handle', rather than a simple central chrome trim piece, and it has a badge under that, not a simple badge like on the Jersey pick up, but the same badge and handle combination as the Trafalgar blue example here:
The holes that these two items mount with are factory, not hack, so are these original for a 1970 pick up? Also it has two badges at the rear the same as the car shown above.
So are all these details correct or has someone been adding bits?
Thanks in advance for any assistance.

[bmcecosse]

Sounds like a 'car' bonnet has been fitted at some time.

[beelzibus]

Sounds like a 'car' bonnet has been fitted at some time.

That's what I wondered at one stage, but the lack of raised side mouldings cancelled that thought, the handle and badge combo using holes that are clearly 'factory' made me wonder if the later LCVs perhaps had that combo, however I now see that the Jersey pickup has the same holes under its plain bonnet trim.

So are the side badge an add on as well, and can anyway clarify that the handle and badge with the raised spear are car only and never LCV but could of course be owner add ons.

[les]

Did you get sorted with the chassis drawings etc?

[beelzibus]

Did you get sorted with the chassis drawings etc?

Hi Les, no nothing as yet. Can you help? I have at least the front of one leg to fit, and one rear, plus whatever else the shotblaster finds, so it would be good to have some dimensions to work to.

[les]

I have this one. There is also one of the body, but it's for a van. Which I can send if needed.

[Neil MG]

The side mouldings just bolt on, so if it is a car bonnet the holes will have been filled and that might be visible from underneath.

[beelzibus]

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I have this one. There is also one of the body, but it's for a van. Which I can send if needed.

Wow that's great Les. Am I right in thinking that the van is identical to the pick up under the waistline? If it is I'd be very interested in a copy of that one as well. Many many thanks.

[beelzibus]

The side mouldings just bolt on, so if it is a car bonnet the holes will have been filled and that might be visible from underneath.

Ah.....
Better have a closer look at the bonnet when I get back into work.

[IaininTenbury]

if its not got the holes for the side mouldings, then its an LCV bonnet. The holes at the front for the badges are the same for the LCV or car, its just different badges fitted in the same holes.
A pillar trim panels are the same fibreboard material as the door cards. I think new black ones are available but if you want tan ones you'll need to respray them yourself. (Might be different now, it was a couple of years back when I was trying to source new ones).
Nuts and bolts - plenty of suppliers out there, including the Minor Specialists, but NAMRICK in Brighton are good specialist fastener suppliers (no problems with any of the Minors obscure BSF and BA nuts and bolts).

Nice to hear of someone doing one to that standard of orginality. Look fwd to seeing the photos.

[les]

Yes, the van only differs above.

[beelzibus]

if its not got the holes for the side mouldings, then its an LCV bonnet. The holes at the front for the badges are the same for the LCV or car, its just different badges fitted in the same holes.
A piller trim panels are the same fibreboard material as the door cards. I think new black ones are available but if you want tan ones you'll need to respray them yourself. (Might be different now, it was a couple of years back when I was trying to source new ones).
Nuts and bolts - plenty of suppliers out there, including the Minor Specialists, but NAMRICK in Brighton are good specialist fastener suppliers (no problems with any of the Minors oscure BSF and BA nuts and bolts).

Nice to hear of someone doing one to that standard of orginality. Look fwd to seeing the photos.

Excellent, I suspect that confirms that we have the original bonnet, just the handle/badge combo is saloon, probably fitted by the first owner to jazz it up a bit. It stands to reason, they've fitted badges on the tailgate as well which I knew were extras. Still at least the one on the tailgate is the correct one for the LCV bonnet.
What about the small badges on the bonnet sides? I think they say 'Minor 1000' are they add ons as well? No bother if they are, I can easily weld up the holes.
So the kick panels were coloured then, thanks for the confirmation. Ours therefore would've been tan then to match the doorcards, Best keep an eye open for those as well.
Thanks for the info on Namrick also. Cheers.

[IaininTenbury]

Excellent, I suspect that confirms that we have the original bonnet, just the handle/badge combo is saloon, probably fitted by the first owner to jazz it up a bit. It stands to reason, they've fitted badges on the tailgate as well which I knew were extras. Still at least the one on the tailgate is the correct one for the LCV bonnet.
What about the small badges on the bonnet sides? I think they say 'Minor 1000' are they add ons as well? No bother if they are, I can easily weld up the holes.

Yes the Minor 1000 badges are also car only items, so you'll need to weld up the tw small holes on each side!