New gauges

Post by **kangarolf** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:45 pm

Hi all,

I've been busy down the scrappy stripping a mini for useful bits. Had the cylinder head complete with the temperature sender and gauge, also grabbed the oil pressure gauge.

Does the A series engine in a 1967 morris have the hole to accept the oil presure gauge..? I also have an old type CAV ampmeter that I thought might be more useful than an oil pressure gauge. I still have a dynamo not an alternator and this gauge goes upto 40amps which I believe will be plenty (about 20 amps from the dynamo)...?

Are there any other useful modifications or replacement bits I should grab from this rotting mini before it gets crushed..? Is the speedo etc compatible..seat belts, heater etc etc. If anyone else needs any bits you could also let me know and I'll extract them for you and post them on.

Saw in the charles Wares catalogue this bit AC05T Mounting panel (twin gauge) £5.00, but with no image. If the oil pressure gauge will work is this what I think it is and wil replace the current panle front with one that will take the speedo and the two extra gauges..?

Let me know if you want anything from the mini.

Cheers
Rolf

Post by **Cam** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:22 am

The 1098 has the oil pressure fitting port (where the oil pressure switch is).

Ammeter should be fine although I would say an oil pressure gauge is more useful (im my opinion anyway).

Steering wheels are the same fitting. Speedo fits but is calibrated differently and has a green indicator near the 50MPH mark wheras the Minor one doesn't.

Heater can be made to fit.

I'm sure I have seen the gauges fitted to a later style dash but if you are not sure then measure it!

Post by **kangarolf** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:50 am

The front panel has just about enough room for the two gauges below and to either side of the speedo but would like to get a replacement so I can keep the original.

Will check out the heater.

Cheers
Rolf

Post by **57traveller** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:58 am

Cam wrote:The 1098 has the oil pressure fitting port (where the oil pressure switch is).

Just as an addition, if you want to retain the oil warning light a suitable tee piece will be required to fit into the block and accept both the gauge pipe connection and pressure switch.

Post by **Kevin** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:35 am

Saw in the charles Wares catalogue this bit AC05T Mounting panel (twin gauge) £5.00, but with no image. If the oil pressure gauge will work is this what I think it is and wil replace the current panle front with one that will take the speedo and the two extra gauges..?

Email them and let us know.

Post by **Willie** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:43 pm

I agree with CAM, an oil pressure gauge is much more useful
than an ammeter( even though on a Minor it is easy to not
notice if the 'charge' light comes on). If it wasn't for my oil
gauge I would have had no idea that the tickover on an allegedly
'rebuilt' engine was below 15 lbs pressure. I fitted a new pump
and am now running at 40 lbs tickover! The pressure gauge can
keep you informed of all manner of things which are a mystery if you
haven't got one.

Post by **kangarolf** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:54 pm

57traveller Im not sure I understand what you mean.. =) The oil pressure switch point on the Morris will need to be changed in some way so that I can get the gauge and the warning light working..? The gauge from the mini also has a warning light in it.

Will email Charles Wares and fine out what that bit actually is and then get the oil pressure gauge and temperature gauge in ready.

Cheers for the help
Rolf

PS jsut as an aside anyone in the Cardiff, South Wales area who can suggest a decent garage to take a morris for an MOT..?

Post by **Kevin** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:16 am

Hi Rolf what 57 meant was that the oil warning light sensor has to be removed on the Minor engine to fit the oil pressure guage one, and if you wish it to still work as well as the oil pressure guage you nee a brass "T" to fit the engine so that both units can be connected to it unless you only want to have the guage working in which case that goes to the engine on its own, the "T" pieces are available from most spares places.

Post by **57traveller** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:45 am

That's what I meant Kevin, thanks. Assuming it's a mechanical gauge.

Post by **rayofleamington** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:08 am

I still have a dynamo not an alternator and this gauge goes upto 40amps

I have one with a similar range on the traveller - I've never seen it go more than +2 but it regularly goes to minus 10! It is funny to watch when the indicators are on

Post by **wanderinstar** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:40 pm

I too intend to fit various gauges to my 69 Minor.I am going to weld a panel over the glove box behind the steering wheel and fit my gauges in that. Seem to remember reading somewhere that it was not a good idea fitting an ammeter as it meant running wires,carrying large currents, behind the dash.Far better to fit a Battery Condition Indicator

Post by **Willie** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:35 pm

WANDERINSTAR...yes, the discussion was that the Ammeter wiring
was important because, if an Alternator was fitted,any break in the
ammeter wiring would instantly render the Alternator kaput!! That
applies if it is an early type Alternator. Apparently the later models
have a built in protection circuit to prevent this catastrophy.

Post by **Kevin** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:24 pm

I am going to weld a panel over the glove box behind the steering wheel and fit my gauges in that.

That will make getting at the right hand speedo fixing screw rather difficult as its accessed through the side of the glove box.

Post by **Pyoor_Kate** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:53 pm

That will make getting at the right hand speedo fixing screw rather difficult as its accessed through the side of the glove box.

I can vouch for that. My minor has had extra gauges since before I bought here and it is a right pain in the bottom to get the speedo out (hence I've so far studiously ignored the bulb that's blown).

Post by **Kevin** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:59 am

Kate but I bet your guages are not in a welded in panel making things even harder.

Post by **wanderinstar** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:29 pm

Good point. However my speedo head has had the screws omitted,and this has been like this ever since I bought the car 2years ago.The speedo hasn,t moved,turned round or dropped out. Take the screws out or at least the O/Side one.

Post by **Pyoor_Kate** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:38 pm

Kate but I bet your guages are not in a welded in panel making things even harder.

No, they're in a chunk of wood mounted in the place where the glovebox would have been. You have to remove metal surround and the wood, and ideally the plastic cover for the indicator stalk to get it off. The replacement might be a bit better (which is the one I made by dubious means); but does have the problem of supporting more than double the number of instruments and an iPaq. I just hope it stays together

Post by **wanderinstar** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:36 pm

Kevin wrote:Kate but I bet your guages are not in a welded in panel
making things even harder.

Sorry, perhaps I should have made myself clearer.When I said"weld a panel over the glove box" I meant the O/S glove box lid to make it the same as the N/S one. I suppose that if I could get a lid from an export model,no problems.

Post by **Kevin** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:18 pm

When I said"weld a panel over the glove box" I meant the O/S glove box lid to make it the same as the N/S one

Thats what I thought you meant as guages fitted in the passenger glove box space would be rather difficult to read.

Post by **Pyoor_Kate** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:33 pm

Kevin wrote:
When I said"weld a panel over the glove box" I meant the O/S glove box lid to make it the same as the N/S one
Thats what I thought you meant as guages fitted in the passenger glove box space would be rather difficult to read.

Err, that's what I thought also. My gauges are on the drivers side, in the space where the glovebox is on (most) moggies.

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