electronic ignition

[ampwhu]

Hello Ampwhu,

as far as I know the A35 follows conventional Lucas colour codes so there should not be a yellow wire to the dynamo, They should have brown as a main colour. Has this been rewired by someone?

However as I said several post ago, this is academic. Find which white wire is live when you switch the ignition on. Connect that to the +ve coil terminal and also connect the red wire to the same point. Connect the blue wire to the coil -ve terminal, tape up any loose wires and try a start.
You have the battery connections swapped to negative earth I take it?

Alec

yes. the battery leads are the right way around. i have a negative strap from the minus terminal to the bellhousing.

here's a picture



it is a proper loom purchased from a specialist. it has the correct colour wiring that matches the original diagram in the manual.

you can see the 2 yellow wire's that go to the dynamo and then 3 white wires. i'm am totally baffled as to why the car won't run with this module and will run fine with points etc. it has to be a duff module. mind you, someone else has suffered the same fate. their car has done exactly the same as mine.

[beero]

Alec, my Minor has yellow and yel/grn to the dynamo, I think brown was used later with alternators (on MGBs anyway)
Ampwhu, you have confused me now, that photo is SO different from the last

[ampwhu]

i have no idea why, but i can't see the wood through the tree's on this one. if you asked me to fit you a new hot water cylinder of a new F & E cistern, no problem. but electric's.............. nah!

[beero]

I can see why I am confused now. The first photo was from Lord Anthony!!! (Keep up!! )
From your photo I would ignore the whites with a black trace that went to -ve coil and dizzy, put the white on +v coil with the red, and put blue on -ve coil.

[Alec]

Hello Ampwhu,

from what I can see the wire to the distributor is white\black, not white as you keep saying. The secondary colour is important in sorting out wiring problems. Also the other white is white\black and goes to the coil, the other white goes to the opposite coil
terminal. So the two white\black are the same bit of wire otherwise your car would not run.
Disconnect that wire from the distributor and the coil and tape it up, it is not needed with the electronic ignition module as the blue wire takes it's place.

You say "but electric's.............. nah!", in that case why not just follow the suggestions made to you instead of going on about the three white wires. We are trying to help you but it seems that you are more interested in irrelevancy?

Beero, brown is used on dynamo wiring also, but there must have been a change of convention at some time then, is your Minor pre 1960 or so?

Alec

[beero]

Alec, it's 62, before the orange indicators. Although it has been modified!

[ampwhu]

Hello Ampwhu,

from what I can see the wire to the distributor is white\black, not white as you keep saying. The secondary colour is important in sorting out wiring problems. Also the other white is white\black and goes to the coil, the other white goes to the opposite coil
terminal. So the two white\black are the same bit of wire otherwise your car would not run.
Disconnect that wire from the distributor and the coil and tape it up, it is not needed with the electronic ignition module as the blue wire takes it's place.

You say "but electric's.............. nah!", in that case why not just follow the suggestions made to you instead of going on about the three white wires. We are trying to help you but it seems that you are more interested in irrelevancy?

Beero, brown is used on dynamo wiring also, but there must have been a change of convention at some time then, is your Minor pre 1960 or so?

Alec

but if i disconnect the white/black wire to the coil, where would it get power from? the plain white wire would still go to the coil as before.

[beero]

The plain white wire IS the power

[ampwhu]

I can see why I am confused now. The first photo was from Lord Anthony!!! (Keep up!! )
From your photo I would ignore the whites with a black trace that went to -ve coil and dizzy, put the white on +v coil with the red, and put blue on -ve coil.

plain white to + on coil

red from module to + on coil

blue from module to - on coil

thats it then???

[beero]

YUP!

[ampwhu]

YUP!

ok then. why have others made it so confusing. i shall try this and get back to you fine gentleman. i do hope this is worth it in the long run.

[beero]

Best of luck. Listen for that noise











BBBBRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alec]

Hello Ampwhu,

I have said that in many posts on this saga to try and sort out your problem!

Alec

[ampwhu]

Hello Ampwhu,

I have said that in many posts on this saga to try and sort out your problem!

Alec

fair point. i was getting all flustered and prabaly didn't read it. i'm not going to be trawling back through the thread either!

thanks gents, it won't be until the weekend now as i have a lot on until sunday.

i'll update as and when.

[bmcecosse]

After all this farce (over nothing!) - perhaps you now understand why it was suggested to you that 'electronic ignition' was not necessary - nor is this so called 'upgrade' necessarily desirable. You fitted points etc - and the engine ran. It's trying to tell you something!! Right at the beginning you were asked to note that some of your so called 'white' wires were in fact 'white with black' - and it's been pointed out a couple of times that it's ONE piece of wire - that starts at the coil -ve terminal and ends at the dizzy! You've had loads of totally unnecessary angst with this 'upgrade' - I hope it's worth it! And - you have STILL never confirmed if the vacuum unit on the dizzy is working as it should!!! A new 45D from Simon as suggested right at the beginning without the troublesome electronics - and your engine would have been running nicely ages ago!!

[ampwhu]

After all this farce (over nothing!) - perhaps you now understand why it was suggested to you that 'electronic ignition' was not necessary - nor is this so called 'upgrade' necessarily desirable. You fitted points etc - and the engine ran. It's trying to tell you something!! Right at the beginning you were asked to note that some of your so called 'white' wires were in fact 'white with black' - and it's been pointed out a couple of times that it's ONE piece of wire - that starts at the coil -ve terminal and ends at the dizzy! You've had loads of totally unnecessary angst with this 'upgrade' - I hope it's worth it! And - you have STILL never confirmed if the vacuum unit on the dizzy is working as it should!!! A new 45D from Simon as suggested right at the beginning without the troublesome electronics - and your engine would have been running nicely ages ago!!

"look at me trying to make a point"

well firstly i will be fitting this module to the car. it is better than points and condensor. if electric's weren't any good, then 99% of the cars on the road wouldn't run would they? they are more reliable and once fitted, are forgotten. old fashioned bigwigs insist on using method's that are over 50 years old. it's time to be dragged into the 21st century.

secondly, why would they join the same wire by running it through the loom? pointless in my opinion. until i have the time to investigate, to me they are 2 different wires. no proof suggest's otherwise. visually they are 2 different wires. the photo shows you that.

thirdly, why do you feel the need to be pedantic about the colour of the wire? it's white. whether it has a trace of black in it or not, it's white. thats quite clear in the picture. we all know that the one with the thin black line wouldn't be joined to the same terminal as the plain white one.

and finally, i don't want to buy a new dizzy. the ones i've got are fine. if you've money to throw around buying things for the sake of it, they good for you. i have a budget we i stick to.

i will get this running, with or without comments that aren't welcome. when i do, i'll fine.

remember the saying in life........... "he who laughs last............"

[bmcecosse]

Be assured - I'm not laughing. I just wouldn't put myself through all this - when I know good old points are reliable and simple. The golden rule in any car wiring is that any wire with the same colour code - IS the SAME wire. They only run it though a short section of the loom to make it tidy and to protect the cable. I do hope it works out well for you - and yes - I can see that hidden in the depths of an A35 engine bay the dizzy isn't the most accessible part of the engine. Let us know how you get on.

[Alec]

Hello Ampwhu,

"thirdly, why do you feel the need to be pedantic about the colour of the wire? it's white. whether it has a trace of black in it or not, it's white. thats quite clear in the picture. we all know that the one with the thin black line wouldn't be joined to the same terminal as the plain white one.2

It is not being pedantic but trying to analyse the problem. Originally you said white but this is before the pictures you posted.
The secondary colour is important to identify it's purpose. Had you said white\black then that says what it's purpose is, the colours are not random but a simple and effective way of knowing what wire goes where and it's function.

This forum has a wealth of knowledge freely given but please do try and make it easier to help us sort out your problem.

Alec

[beero]

Hi Ampwhu,
I think it is wrong of you to have a dig at bmc when he has tried hard to help you. I don't know the guy but in the short time I have been using the forum I can tell he is a wealth of knowledge and very helpful.
Good luck with the A35

[ampwhu]

Hi Ampwhu,
I think it is wrong of you to have a dig at bmc when he has tried hard to help you. I don't know the guy but in the short time I have been using the forum I can tell he is a wealth of knowledge and very helpful.
Good luck with the A35

i don't consider that i had a 'dig'.

he see's things his way and doesn't have an alternative. he's totally against anyone ever trying anything differently. he also has a comment on everything and every thread. his post count proves this point. i bet he's a right barrel of laughs down the pub as well.

don't worry though. this will be the final time i comment on this site.

to those that have given me advice in the past, i thankyou.

for the single person that has always given me negative advice, i hope your computer blows up so it gives your fingers a rest.

goodbye.