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Re: Knocking when warm

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As long as the gasket is for the 1098 - not for the 1275 engine ? If so - crack on - you've got an hour to get it changed ....... :o
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Re: Knocking when warm

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It is - it was incorrectly ordered "just in case" for my other car in the days before I realised it was a 1275!
Sadly the kaput car is 13 miles away on my Mum's driveway or I'd be sitting here lapping away now.
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Re: Knocking when warm

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Took the head off today - The head gasket had blown between 3 and 4 and had a broken exhaust valve spring on 4.
Would one have caused the other to occur do you think?
For what it's worth, I've attached a pic of the cylinders in case anyone can see anything odd.
Is there anything else I should do whilst the head is off? It has a new bypass hose with shiny jubilee clips already.[frame]Image[/frame]
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Re: Knocking when warm

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Pistons 2 and 3 look remarkably clean! You need to clean all the block top - ideally unscrew all the studs - countersink the stud holes slightly - and clean the whole surface but without rubbing it locally if you see what I mean ! I use the square end of a 12" steel rule - something like that - no rubbing with emery! Then refit the studs - make sure the bypass is NOT a corrugated one. On the head -same as block for the head face - best to examine the valves closely after cleaning them (spin in electric drill) - and grind in ALL the valves very carefully. And no - the broken spring wouldn't cause this.
This is where a spare head is really handy - you could be back on the road right away - and sort out the original head at your leisure!
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Re: Knocking when warm

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Right you are. A spare head would indeed be handy.
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Re: Knocking when warm

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The pipe from the vacuum advance on the distributor is missing, or did you take it off with the carb?
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Re: Knocking when warm

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Well spotted! That was me - it was a copper one and was in the way rather.
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Re: Knocking when warm

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Minispares sell a silicone by-pass hose which is supposed to be fit and forget. I fitted it on mine and have had no problems with it.
http://www.minispares.com/Product.aspx? ... 313&title=
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Re: Knocking when warm

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A picture of the old head gasket would be interesting.

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Re: Knocking when warm

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You obviously haven't 'forgotten ' the bypass hose then Declan............after fitting it. :wink:
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Re: Knocking when warm

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I will remember it for a long time and especially taking out the old short bypass stub and fitting a longer stainless steel one.


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Re: Knocking when warm

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Declan_Burns wrote:Minispares sell a silicone by-pass hose which is supposed to be fit and forget. I fitted it on mine and have had no problems with it.
http://www.minispares.com/Product.aspx? ... 313&title=
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Re: Knocking when warm

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Photos![frame]Blown gasket:Image[/frame][frame]Image[/frame][frame]Overly Pitted? Image[/frame][frame]Broken spring:Image[/frame]
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Re: Knocking when warm

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Amazing the compression test was so balanced with that chunk missing from the gasket!

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Re: Knocking when warm

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I do think you need a new exhaust valve - and a spring........
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Re: Knocking when warm

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It is odd isn't it? That's why I thought that perhaps the broken spring could have had something to do with it. But I don't see how. Either that or I did the something horribly wrong with the test but I don't think I did.

I've got a whole new set of exhaust valves and a spring on order.

Is it best to clear out all the oil ways with something before I put it back together?
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Re: Knocking when warm

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Just squirt some oil through from an oil can. The broken spring may have contributed to that bad valve - if it allowed it to 'float'. It likely be quite a job to grind in the valves - I assume you don't have a spare head ? And - if one spring broke like that - the rest are likely to be the same age and have had the same service life....... I would have fitted all new........ When the new spring arrives - line up all the springs on a flat surface - side by side - and compare their length with the new one.. I don't think you will like what you see.
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Re: Knocking when warm

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Bah! After buying new valves and springs I've just noticed that the head has a crack between 3 and 4!! It's just visible in the photo above. That'll teach me.
I'm on the look out for a replacement head if anyone has one?
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Re: Knocking when warm

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Oooh yes - I see the mark - most unusual........It must have seriously overheated at some time ? Good chance to fit an upgraded head! But there are some 12G202 heads on ebay - although a 295 is an improvement - the real way forward is a 940........
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/A30-A35-A40-Minor ... 19bd9d1aeb
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... :MEBIDX:IT
4 x 940 heads! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MIni-1275-Austin- ... 3f015dc70d
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Re: Knocking when warm

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Big ends are a lot more of a rattle than mains and you can "play" them by varying the engine load at fairly constant revs. The latter is/are a deep distressing thump and are worse a low revs. and the rear can be felt in the clutch when bad. Small ends are a lighter tap and are worse at light load as the revs rise.
Hope that makes sense, one has to experience them to recognize them and I have had known them all, to my sadness and expense at times.
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