I suppose it would have to be discussed when/if we get committee approval. Regular meeting would obviously be a problem.rsawatson wrote:What sort of activities would the meetings of a YPs' branch consist of?
Wouldn't say I feel alienated either, just a bit like a fish out of water. I want to go out and do things with the car, like runs etc. where as the older members prefer to sit around and talk about engine part numbersrsawatson wrote:I think the idea in principle is a good one, because as much as I enjoy and get on well with the other members of my branch, I am the only other person by a wide margin 'under 30'. Not that I am made to feel alienated in any way, in fact quite the opposite, it would still be good to meet up and spend time with other members of the MMOC of similar age/interests.
It seems to me like younger owners just go out and drive their cars where as the older owners (in my branch at least) seem to think using them everyday or in the rain will damage them. They all thought I was crazy to make the 244 mile trip from Cardiff to the national, none of them had faith in their cars to do it.
Point taken Matt especiallyMColes wrote:
Wouldn't say I feel alienated either, just a bit like a fish out of water. I want to go out and do things with the car, like runs etc. where as the older members prefer to sit around and talk about engine part numbers
Sorry but we just can't help ourselves at our branch.the older members prefer to sit around and talk about engine part numbers
This is not what we are trying to do. Everyone is different and likes different cars, you can't make someone like something. Hence why I'm not your typical 'yoof' driving around in a chavved up corsa with a stupidly loud sound system and exhaust to matchYou will never persuade the average “Motorist” to have an interest in classic cars, no matter what their age
. The point of the group/branch would be to promote the use of these cars by young people who like these cars already, but are put off by the idea that only older people can afford to own, maintain and drive them. The point is not to get every young person to like them because that would just get boring.
but I certainly don't like just sitting around with my car. This is exactly why I have organised 2 LEO Runs and 2 MOT-UK's. Sadly this years LEO, like last years, had to be cancelled due to a lack of interest In a similar vein to Kevin, we have 12 branch members taking part in this years MOT-UK, and 9 of those qualify for their bus passesKevin wrote:Just as an aside we have 10 branch members going on the MOT UK and more than half have qualified for their bus passes
Most of these, like those from Kevin's branch, are also taking part in the drives and activities that have been planned All input is appretiated. Just wish I had a free bus pass, the fares are scandalousKevin wrote:Bill I think we had better be careful as this is a youngsters thread and we are turning into a bus pass competition
agreed, and we do have all agre groups at the East kent branch and yet we have not turned into a bunch of surfing hippies!charlie_morris_minor wrote: chickenjohn i am not sure if you are on a wind-upNo wind up, there are historical reasons why the veedub and Mini shows are like they are and those reasons do not apply to the Minor. Unless you can go back in time and re-invent history you cannot make the Minor something it is not. It has a different appeal to the veedub and Mini, trying to radically change everything will solve nothing. You cannot make the car something it isn't- like trying to teach your dad to breakdance!chickenjohn wrote:
1) the Minor is not a Mini or Vee Dub and it never will be, we do not have surfer/hippy/drag race culture or Michael Caine/ Monte carlo rally etc history that goes back to the 60's. The Minor's appeal is different, It is a nice car for nice people. Nurses, teachers, vicars etc.
speak for yourself! As a youngster I was a goth / hunt sab with blue hair I am not a nurse, teacher, vicar etc and that middle class attitude real does scare me. maybe you would like to ask people their job / earning potential before allowing them to join the club?
speak for yourself, when I was a teenager, i was a long haired headbanging heavy metal fan who played guitar in a band, and I still am (though I don't do the silly head banging anymore- or the long hair- but do still play guitar in a band)
40 / 50 year old's come along find what they want and stay.. 18 year old's come along and leave .. might be interesting if the club could analysis the renewal rates over under 25's compared to over 25's if we continually wait for people to be 40 before feeling happy in the club they will have become interested in other makes / models and not get into moggies.chickenjohn wrote: 2) There is no demographic crisis in the club or Minor ownership, Young people are buying cars, but the majority of new members are 40-50 somethings. As long as we keep attracting this age group on a rolling basis over time then there will never be a demographic crisis.
That is up to them if they don't stay, like I said you cannot make the car and culture something it is not. The Minor is for everyone and they are free to join the club when they wish
i was 18 when i purchased my traveller what is your point? 31 is still young! It was circumstances that prevented me from buying a classic earlier, i wanted a classic since I could drive, what is your point???chickenjohn wrote: 3) "Younger" people are of course welcome, as equally as are older people, or anybody who likes the Minor. I was 31 when I bought my traveller.
isn't that the point under 30's have specific problems which apply more to them than other ages. That is why we have registers for lcv / MM etc etc so that people with the same type of cars and hence same problems can get together and share knowledge and ideas.chickenjohn wrote:
4) It is getting harder for 20-30 somethings to own a classic car these days due to the cost of housing, and not having the space/ time to work on restoring/maintaining a classic car. They have to run it as a main car as they cannot afford/ do not have the space to keep a weekend car.
yes, all Minor owners should get together and share knowledge, not just any particular age group being singled out
this i think is the only one I agree with you on.chickenjohn wrote: 5) We need to promote Minor ownership to ALL regardless of age.
Please don't misinterpret what I posted!Sidney'61 wrote:Are youngsters not nice people then?chickenjohn wrote:1) the Minor is not a Mini or Vee Dub and it never will be, we do not have surfer/hippy/drag race culture or Michael Caine/ Monte carlo rally etc history that goes back to the 60's. The Minor's appeal is different, It is a nice car for nice people. Nurses, teachers, vicars etc.thanks.
I'd just like to point out that of the 5 cars that appeared on the young peoples stand over the course of national 3 of them were completely standard and all 5 are used as daily cars, we own minors because they are interesting, fun and practical cars so rally history or hippy culture is not at all important.
The stand at the national helped people to notice that there are younger minor owners out there and helped other young people to come forward and ask questions so a young owners branch would help to bring in younger members to the club, whether they like their cars standard or modified.
Surely a young owners branch would 'divide the club' only as much as a series MM or minor million owners register would.
Of course there are nice people of all ages. Those are the people the Minor naturally attracts.I couldn't disagree more! The car, the same as anything else you do in life, is what you make it. You can trundle around town in it like Miss Daisy or go for a cruise down to the coast with your mates. It's whatever you want it to be.You cannot make the car something it isn't- like trying to teach your dad to breakdance!
It's a film, "Driving Miss Daisy", which looks a bit dull so I've never seen itchickenjohn wrote:What is "Miss Daisy"?????
Daisy is also the name of our ancient Army Lightweight Landrover, an eBay find which saved our bacon during last winter when the steep snowy lanes round here were completely impassable other than on foot or in a very alert four-wheel-drive 
It was just an example, we do more than that in our local branch and a as young owner's branch we have big plans if we get the go aheadWell, in the East Kent branch we go further than a cruise to the coast, This year we went back to the ISle of Wight! And as for a cruise to the coast, I live near the coast anyway.
. We just want to do things aimed more at younger people. For example this years national, the country and western theme was very well thought out and planned and the everyone I spoke to who went to the evening entertainment enjoyed themselves, but it didn't really appeal to the young people.I don't understand where you are getting the idea that we are trying to change the image of the car, we're not, we're just trying to introduce more younger people to the car. As I said "the car is what you make it".See, the Minor is already what it is!
If I thought that would I be on my second?so the above poster was saying the Minor is dull???
