Traveller to pick up plus auxillaries.

[jonathon]

We certainly do.

[listerjones]

Hi jonathan, that looks like the front sorted what about the rear, Is it a complete change of axle to have the same wheel studs as the marina ital. Only if I do the front as you suggested I'll need to match the rear, as with regards to wheel, and I guess i'm under the assumption that marina and ital will offer a slightly wider option of different steels to put on.

The £130 you quoted is that for both sides or just the one side.

Regards

Richard

[charlie_morris_minor]

you have three option

you can modify the marina hubs to the moggy stud pattern and retain your moggy wheels

you can retain the marina stud pattern and fit the marina / ital axle yes the marina / ital wheels are wider but at 13" look a bit lost in my opinion.. the stud pattern is the same as the montego / mgf etc so you can do this...

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or modify the hubs to other patterns such as ford and modify the ital axle to that stud pattern or fit a suitable axle such as the escort axle

[listerjones]

Hi Charlie, that looks really good. Looking for set of ital stub axles and discs calipers etc, they are like rocking horse dung. Is the marina/Ital axle a straight swap, or is there cutting welding involved and does the moggy prop bolt straght onto the said axles.

[charlie_morris_minor]

the marina axle will need a new set of brackets welding on to the axle but they are not expensive, the same goes for the escort axle..

as for the prop shaft no i think that will need to be modified but can not say for sure as when i did it i fitted an ital / dolomite o/d gearbox at the same time. a new prop will set you back about 130 ish i seem to recall at least that what i have budgeted for it.

The wheels i have are mgf space savers about 20 quid each with loads of tread on the tyres. they are the same as montego steel wheels which would have been cheaper but not sure about the tyres and the mgf spaces savers just need a quick wash before i painted them.

[listerjones]

Charlie, what engine are you running, how did you mate the gearbox up.

[charlie_morris_minor]

my modified saloon ran a 1300 A+ engine with the ital gearbox mixed with the o/d unit from a triumph dolomite..

you take the input shaft from the marina / ital and the output shaft from the dolly. transfer the gears from the ital output shaft on to the output shaft of the dolly box. the gearbox case itself is the same on both boxes but the bellhousing is different so use the ital bellhousing mated to thte ital engine no problems ( i recall ). use the output side from the dolly which is short but then bolt on the o/d unit and hey presto you have the o/d unit on your ital engine no probs!!

my traveller ( in the pic ) is being fitted (slowly) with a 2ltr fiat twin cam the box also comes from the fiat so is matched and it is mating up with an ital rear axle.

I think earlier in the thread ani invited you over to have a look at her car and if you come over you are more than welcome to drop in and have a look as i am also in aldershot

[listerjones]

Hi Charlie, yeah that would be great, when i'm next coming to that area I will drop you a note.

Gonna have to give it some thought. like I said before if it was for me i'd go crazy on the thing probably vauxhall redtop like I did with my spitfire, but she just wants it to drive nice and not hold everyone up, and I just want safety for her.

I've been thinking the 1275 would be a nice little unit to go into it, do you know if the morris box goes onto that ok.

Are there different ratio boxes on the moggy or was the gearing all done on the diff.

[ani]

Hi LJ, mine has a 1275 Midget engine which is, I believe, is fine with the moggie gearbox. However I have a Sierra 5 speed gear box on the Trav/pickup. As mentioned before you're welcome to take it out for a spin

[charlie_morris_minor]

to add to what ani said the 1275 midget engine just bolts straight onto the moggy box i believe .. to fit the ital / marina 1275 engine you will need a modified back plate to allow the engine and moggy gearbox to be mated to it. Many people use the moggy gear box with the 1275 ital engine no problem and you will obviously not need to worry about the prop shaft.

but if you are looking to change the rear axle i would change the gear box.. trouble you might run into is so many options you will never decide what to do!

[ani]

Simples! Buy one that's already done

[charlie_morris_minor]

Simples! Buy one that's already done

and where would the grief sorry fun be in that ani!

[ani]

Yep - of course you're right - wouldn't be the same would it

[listerjones]

Laughing, oh I don't know after doing some of the most rotten ford and triumph restos on earth the idea of buying one that is already done sounds nice. Problem is she's bought the traveller and I've just got off the phone to the guy picking it up, whole thing inc parts are being roped and sheeted onto a flatbed, so actually thinking about it she may need to buy all the parts after they've been left on the M25. gulp!!.

Im thinking option one, disc conversion on front retaining moggy pcd with either disc kit or using marina stub axle and getting it machined to fit.

Or option 2 is buy a marina or ital strip it use it abuse it send the shell to the knackers yard or outside the ital/marina's monthly meet at the village pub.

Sooooooo will the back plate from a 1098 fit a 1275 from a mini or midget or ital/marina.

[charlie_morris_minor]

the mini engine is a no go as it is transverse not inline and with the gearbox in the sump is not worth the hassle, same goes for the metro.

if fitting the 1275 midget engine engine use the midget backplate the mogyy box will bolt directly up no problems ( apparently ) only thing is the cost of a 1275 midget engine.. but saves you a lot of hassle.

the ital / marina will need to have a modified backplate fitted to mate to the moggy gearbox.. you can modify either the moggy or the ital \ marina backplate but i can not remember which one.. no doubt someone will be along in a minute to say which one..or you can buy one brandnew and save all the hastle.

As for buying and stripping a 1300 ital / marina the problem is finding one.. when i did mine over 10 years ago they were still common and the one i stripped was already in the scrap yard so i did not feel bad about it. I do not know i would feel right to scrap a useable 1300 marina \ ital especially the rate top gear is smashing them up!

You might actually be better off keeping your eyes open for a modified moggy that you can cull for parts.. thats what i did with the twin cam.. dan harris is now restoring what was left after i had finished with it!

someone was selling a set of marina uprights in the latest minor matters if that is any help..

[Mogwai]

Marina brake/kingpin assembly's come up on ebay quite often

[charlie_morris_minor]

further to my previous comment on the 1275 mini...

http://www.morrisminoroc.co.uk/index.ph ... ic&t=27705

looks like it can be done

[listerjones]

its here, its a pile of parts, she's happy, Im suddenly scared ha ha ha. Im in talks with a chap with a 1275 marina at the moment, just trying to win him over on the parts side, engine and box are in great condition.

Doh I should ring topgear and ask for the parts. darn it.

[d_harris]

If you really really want to muck about with handbrakes check out VW Campers, they have an interesting approach to the handbrake

Front disc brakes, is there a suitable donor out there or just the hugely priced custom kit?

the only real DIY option is Marina/Ital not really as viable an option as it used to be and the Ford based setups from the likes of JLH actually aren't

Do they do a radial tyre to fit the stand
ard moggy wheel.

Easily available either in a 145 or 155 size (155 is technically a little too wide for the wheel but not too bad.

If you are after wider steel wheels that can use the centre hupcap then give minor developments a call (a quick google should reveal all) they use standard minor centres with a different rim - not cheap, but the alternative Van Rims are megabucks..

If the centre hupcap becomes less of an issue, most of the traders sell 14" minilite alloys for around £350 - normally with tyres

[d_harris]

If you really really want to muck about with handbrakes check out VW Campers, they have an interesting approach to the handbrake

Front disc brakes, is there a suitable donor out there or just the hugely priced custom kit?

the only real DIY option is Marina/Ital not really as viable an option as it used to be and the Ford based setups from the likes of JLH actually aren't

Do they do a radial tyre to fit the stand
ard moggy wheel.

Easily available either in a 145 or 155 size (155 is technically a little too wide for the wheel but not too bad.

If you are after wider steel wheels that can use the centre hupcap then give minor developments a call (a quick google should reveal all) they use standard minor centres with a different rim - not cheap, but the alternative Van Rims are megabucks..

If the centre hupcap becomes less of an issue, most of the traders sell 14" minilite alloys for around £350 - normally with tyres