*day 3 and 4* need some help

Post by **skelly** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:34 pm

Hi all

Started day 3 on Sunday and continued on Monday with day 4.
In the two days I have managed to remove the engine and gearbox and all under bonnet bits,

Also managed to remove the rest of the roof and dash, heater and wiring harness and rear glass.

Leaving me with a empty shell sitting on its suspension and wheels only

I have been thinking about letting a professional do my body shell leaving more time on all the other bits (and you all know how many bits that is).

All I was hoping was to get them to do the welding and leave the rest to me.
After the welding was going to have it dipped in a bath of acid (recheck) then e coated then paint or is a crazy way of doing it?

So tell who can help? Is there any body on this site that does this for a living?
Tried to contact jlh Morris minors but have been unable to get them on the phone got this information from new members area, have only heard good things about this company.

Next was a company called Charles were Morris minors, spoke with them on the phone and have said no problem bring it down, but heard anything about them and they are a long way from me.

So please help me do I take it all the way to Bristol or is there someone else.

Anyway hers a picture I need some encouragement so send in messages of support.

Shane
the man with baterd and blisterd hands after working on his moggy<br>

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Post by **jonathon** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:57 pm

Hi Shane, had the day off today if this is when you rang.
More than happy to have a look at you're convertible as we are only 20 miles or so away.
re dipping we would have an initial dip, have the car back for welding in repairs then send it back for a re dip and eventual E coating. The shell needs to be drilled in critical points to reduce the potential of air bubbles.
We have two convertibles in at the moment, pre dip and E coat and one fully welded and in E coat. Give me a ring tomorrow.

Post by **les** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:00 pm

Suggest you don't give up on jlh yet. btw what happened to day 1 and 2 ?

Post by **les** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:01 pm

Well I'm blowed, talk of the devil!!

Post by **jonathon** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:03 pm

beware the ever seeing eye Les

Post by **skelly** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:11 pm

les, http://www.mmoc.org.uk/index.php?name=P ... ic&t=27498

Post by **skelly** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:13 pm

jonathon,

wow that was fast, will call in the morning sir

shane

Post by **les** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:34 pm

ah, got ya. Now I'm up to speed!!

Post by **d_harris** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:41 pm

Skelly PM sent re: Charles Ware

Post by **rich-legg** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:42 pm

I wouldn't get a car dipped & e-coated. It's very fashionable at the moment, but one of my friends just had it done, and this is the result... You wouldn't want to discover this after paying 5k for a paint job.

The theory is the primer is trapping moisture in the seams.

Post by **jonathon** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:18 pm

Neither the acid dipping or E coat can reach these areas and SPL (if they did the job) should have made you're friend aware of this.
If this was a repaired area ie new flush steel then this would not have happened. This looks to have been corroded initially and should have been opened up and cleaned back before having it dipped.
it must be remembered that the acid/ecoat is a surface treatment and cannot penetrate layered panelwork. I doubt that the E coat is trapping moisture as its baked on. Maybe the primer applied by the bodyshop is though, but the rust in the pics is not new as you can see the thickness and flakeyness of the it and how its spread between the spot welds.
We have had 6 car dipped and E coated, none of which have shown any problems, and this goes back over 4 years.
I'd suggest bad prep or very rare bad luck.

Post by **rich-legg** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:34 pm

The process is apparently supposed to neutralise the rust, and clearly hasn't here. Gav, the guy doing the prep has 2 cars from SPL in close secession like this. There has also been lots of other problems with it.

Full thread about it is here.... (read from aprox page 40)
http://restowagenuk.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10783

Post by **jonathon** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:28 pm

But the rust is coming from between the panels, the process cannot penetrate two flush panels and in the case above it might have started to clear the rust where it could. The major mistake that the bodyshop has made is to etch the Ecoated surface. SPL expressley told us not to etch as it could cause issues. Clearly this is what has happened.
If the bodyshop had noticed the softened E coat then they should have returned the chassis to SPL for a re dip and coating.
Excellent bodyshop work by them though.

**I have just been in touch with SPL and will now, no longer comment on this topic apart from my own experiences, as a letter from SPL will soon be posted on the above link to restowagon explaining their process and how it applies to this specific case**

Post by **webbnuts** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:39 am

PM sent with regards to Charles Wares.

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day 3 and 4 need some help

day 3 and 4 need some help