Possible scam ?

Post by **JuNK512G** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:55 pm

Just had a call from my son, he went with his brother in law to buy a car, a deal was struck & the buyers part of the registration document completed & signed. The seller then backed out of the deal taking the registration document including the buyers part.
I have advised contacting DVLA & reporting the circumstances. Does anyone have any ideas of what possible implications could arise if it is a scam ?

Post by **d_harris** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:08 pm

The seller could send the new keeper part off and say "i've not received my V5...." getting it registered in his name.

Then theres all sorts that he could do!

Post by **PSL184** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:16 pm

but the name and address on the new keeper part would be Charlie's son and the V5 would go to him... The seller already has a V5 in his name so I don't see what he could gain from it ???

Post by **kennatt** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:16 am

more than likely just confusion. The original owner ,The seller ,should keep the v5,give the green slip to the buyer,then send the v5 to dvla.The green buyers slip is retained by the buyer to prove ownership,he needs to do nothing untill dvla sent him a new v5 in his name.I take it you have the vehicle and a reciept for your payment.Just wait a while and see what happens. Should be ok .

Post by **LouiseM** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:18 am

I take it you have the vehicle and a reciept for your payment.

Doesn't look like it

The seller then backed out of the deal taking the registration document including the buyers part.

Post by **JuNK512G** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:45 am

Thanks for your contributions folks. appreciated as it worried me a bit, people are so clever & devious nowadays.
I hope it is just confusion, no money or the car changed hands. I have to be PC, suffice to say my son described the seller & his associate as dubious.

Post by **Peetee** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:50 am

My best guess is that the seller now has an address and ID that he can use fraudulantly to ring vehicles. He can now give a stolen car a false ID and any repercussions will fall on your son not him.

Post by **JuNK512G** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:06 am

Peetee wrote:My best guess is that the seller now has an address and ID that he can use fraudulantly to ring vehicles. He can now give a stolen car a false ID and any repercussions will fall on your son not him.

Precisely my worry.

Post by **PSL184** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:29 am

But still, any attempt to raise paperwork for any vehicle would still be posted to your son's address if that was their intention ^^^ and you would know that something fishy was going on?

Post by **d_harris** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:13 am

The new keepers supplement can be used to obtain a new logbook in the new keepers name - it will go to the new keeper, but this can take weeks.

In the meantime if the vehicle is involved in anything dodgy the coppers will automatically come knocking on the door of the new keeper.

Post by **PSL184** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:32 am

Yes true - I was thinking long term, not short term. Best to inform the police of the incident then - just in case - at least it is on record then....

Post by **JuNK512G** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:58 am

PSL184 wrote:Yes true - I was thinking long term, not short term. Best to inform the police of the incident then - just in case - at least it is on record then....

Thanks for the ideas, I did my 30 years in the service a while ago & I am sad to say I don't have the kind of faith that
a/ The police would be interested until something untoward happens and
b/ That they would be wiling to keep such a report on record.
My feeling at the moment is once I have full details, to report it to DVLA in the hope they can 'flag' it against the record of the particular vehicle.

Post by **d_harris** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:37 pm

Write to your local police station and send it by recorded delivery.....

Post by **rayofleamington** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:26 pm

I wouls also be worried. I've never ever known a seller do the V5 details before car and money changed hands.
Apart from speeding fines and/or parking fines and/or asset scams (e.g. when getting divorced) I can't see anything too serious happening from it.

Post by **JuNK512G** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:59 am

Thanks again everyone for your comments. I feel I should explain that I'm not knocking the police, in fact I'm relatively proud of my total 42 years with them but over the years I did see vast changes in the amount of information they had to hold which through sheer volume led to such things as graded response to emergency calls. I am confident though that if this matter does end in some form of crime, it will be dealt with.