1300 ital

Post by **Longdog** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:53 pm

My mog is n/a and has 88 bhp.This does feel pretty quick in a mog, but you can never have too much power.I will probably be going down the route of a supercharger as my primary objective is torque not outright hp.I used to have a supercharged mog and it was heaps of fun.Go for it!

Post by **superchargedfool** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:16 pm

I have had many fast a series cars and none have been as good mid-range as my supercharged moggy.

Now that supercharging an a series is so easy and cheap ish, why not?

I will soon be knocking on the door of 140 bhp from a 1293. You can't do that naturally aspirated!

Post by **Matt** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:25 pm

or it can just be left to vent to atmosphere... but there might be a few more oil leaks

Post by **lukedauvergne** » Mon May 04, 2009 7:13 pm

i am fitting a water heated manifold to my 1275 but honestly dont have a clue were all the water pipes go. and not only that i dont no what the different pipes on the carbs are for i have tryed my hardest to find pictures and stuff but cant. not even the owners manual helps in any way. i dont supose anyone would be able to help me with this dilema maybe upload some pitures that might help?
thanks

Post by **PSL184** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:10 pm

Try this

Post by **bmcecosse** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:35 pm

Don't bother with the water heating - it's better without! Colder the air going in to the engine = the denser the charge, and higher power ouput! But if you feel you must - that method shown above looks particularly neat!

Post by **lukedauvergne** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:27 pm

i got a waterheated manifold from a metro and a hif44 carb. many pipes no sence recipe for disaster!
i was wondering if somone with this set up in there minor might be able to inundate me with pictures from there car were all the hoses go were they come from etc?
any help would be greatly apriciated! ps got servo assisted discs aswell weres the servo pipe go?
thanks

Post by **lukedauvergne** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:44 pm

here i have many pictures and am hoping somone might no how they connect up etc.
this is my master cylinder from a marina there are 2 holes 1 thats a standared brake pipe size and the other is bigger. the bigger 1 is plugged with a rubber gromet but dont image this to be compleatly air tight. how does this system connect up? i have to run a line to the junction that the brake pressure switch runs to as well so i imagined 1 of these holes would have a pipe going forward to this and the other hole a pipe back to the rear brakes?

Post by **lukedauvergne** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:50 pm

this pipe was connected up to a bolt on top the inlet manifold i have taken the ppipe off and put a bolt in the hole to plug that also however i imagine this serves some purpose so does anyone have any idea what this does and were the pipe should connect to?

Post by **lukedauvergne** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:53 pm

finaly i image this is the vacume pipe from the servo. any idea where this goes?

Post by **PSL184** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:12 pm

The hole you have plugged in the manifold needs an adaptor screwing in and a length of vac pipe from manifold to the plastic pipe on the servo. The brake cylinder is indeed the front / rear outlets although I cant remember which is front / rear but the fronts will be off the bigger chamber in the fluid reservoir...

Post by **bmcecosse** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:54 pm

I would throw the servo away! Small car like Minor doesn't need a servo - unless you have leg power problems ?
The servo needs a vacuum connection to the inlet manifold - generally with a non-return valve, although that may be built-in to the servo. There will also be a small diameter vacuum pipe connection from manifold to distributer - don't blank it off!
You will then need two brake pipe connections - IN and OUT. But your's is a very non-standard installation, and the picture is not clear enough for me to see what goes where! The connections are likely to be m10x1 thread or even larger on that servo - note that Minor brake pipe fittings are mostly 3/8" UNF thread with 3/8" BSF thread on the rear axle - although some have found BSF on other parts of the car too.
You MUST NOT mix up the connections - wrong thread union into the wrong hole will spell disaster!

Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:55 am

Hi Luke

the marina / ital has a split brake system i.e. one of the pipes feeds the front the other the rears as PSL says. What BMC say is not correct they are not IN and OUT they are both OUT.

Post by **lukedauvergne** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:26 pm

thanks for your help guys il try and get on the case of these problems i imagine il be back on here soon beggin for more help:( once last question before you here in the news of a minor with brake problems flies off the road into a tree. the bigger hole on the master cylinder that PSL says feeds the front my plan is to run this into the junction that has the brake pressure switch on it this is obviously the same size as the rest of the brake pipesis it ok the have a big thread on the master cylinder end and small on the other end into the junction? im i going about running these pipes correctly?

Post by **PSL184** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:22 pm

Yes, looks OK to me. No problem with having diferent size fittings on the pipe but I guess you will have to make your own pipe up though.....

Post by **lukedauvergne** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:54 pm

this project is starting to get imposable does anyone know were to get marina parts on the net? i have asked on the marina forum but none has helped me very much:( were does everyone else get their parts from?
curently looking for the rubber hose that connects clutch slave cylinder to master cylinder. but while im there i want to change the slave and master if i can. also is there a difference between a single flair and double flair when it comes to making break pipes?

Post by **PSL184** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:20 pm

I can't help with Marina parts other than to say search on ebay etc.... A single or double flare is different and the correct flare depends on the adjoining part you are screwing the flared pipe into ie they have to have matching male/female flares to seal correctly.

Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:21 pm

to expand on the double flare single flare ..

it refers to how many times you have to use your brake pipe flaring tool to make the end..

a single flare will end up looking like a cone in cross section.

a double flare will end up looking like a volcano in cross section.

the simplest and safestest way of know which to use is look at the one you pull out of the salve / master cylinders.

as for parts look on ebay..

for the rubber pipe i would have thought your local independent i.e. not halfords they will be able to supply you with lengths of clutch pipe off the roll, and whilst in there ask them for the other parts you need.. if you live in south wales I can certainly recommend bridgend motor factors.

Post by **bmcecosse** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:57 pm

Referring to earlier note re servo - IF it is combined unit with the mastercylinder - then indeed - it will have two OUT connections!! One to front and one to rear. I do believe some brake servos have a single m12 brake connection - but I have no idea how you fit a normal brake pipe into that! Presumably there must be adapters available for m12 to m10 ?? This really seems like an awful lot of trouble just to have non-standard brakes on a Minor !

Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:55 pm

With the master cylinder in the picture the resevoir has two "feet" that are a tight push into the top of the master cylinder the feet are hollow and connect into the top of the front / rear parts of the master cylinder so forming the "IN". The resevoir is held in place by two pins if I recall correctly.

does this answer the m12? question i.e. does this relate to the "IN" part of the system? certainly when i did this conversion 10 + years ago I can not remeber having any problems making the brake pipes up.. now it could be that i just reused the old nuts.

I found the hardest part of the conversion my feet! after they got frozen because i had not covered the hole on top of the mounting plate.. see i did the conversion during the summer.. so no need to cover the hole as it gave a nice cool breeze on the feet.. come the first cold day it was a totaly different matter!