Wheel studs don't line up?! Am I doing something wrong?!

Post by **ratrodmog** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:50 pm

Evenin' all
Was trying to fit some slot mags to Nancy earlier and found that the studs don't line up in the holes! The hub is standard and have been told the wheels had a 4" PCD, but they don't fit. Am I doing something wrong?
Hopefully the pic at the bottom shows what I mean.
Cheers
Ben

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Post by **mike.perry** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:56 pm

Are the wheels a metric "almost 4 in PCD?"
Do you know their history?

Post by **bmcecosse** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:04 pm

I agree - either the studs or the wheels are obviously NOT 4" pcd. Measure them ! Obviously - You must NOT attempt to fit these wheels to these hubs!!

Post by **ratrodmog** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:05 pm

I have measured them and they seem to me to be 4" PCD. I don't know any history about them but were bought from a reliable person

Post by **ratrodmog** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:10 pm

Hi bm, the hub is definitely bog standard minor as I have been running the stock wheels. The slot mags were advertised as having a 4" PCD.

Original advert
£100 Also a set of four wolfrace 13" 5.5j alloys 4" PCD.

Something is obviously not right

Post by **les** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:48 pm

Looking at the picture, if you turn the wheel clockwise it might centralise the studs, it looks as if sleeve nuts are required, that's why the studs in the picture are all over the place, the nuts will centralise, but only if the pcd of the studs and wheel are identical, not near enough! Some people just hold a rule against a wheel and say 4inches whereas it might be a mm size when measured properly.

Post by **alanworland** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:09 pm

My wheels use sleeve nuts with the sleeve diameter measuring 0.621in diameter (this locates in the wheels with a 0.625in bore hole) So there is not a lot of room for error!
I would imagine it would be quite difficult to 'line them up' to take a photo.
Have you got the correct fixings for these wheels?
If you have try them! you will soon find out if the PCD is correct!

Post by **ratrodmog** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:33 pm

I have the sleeve nuts for the wheels and they fit through the holes and are the right thread size. When you tighten one up, the others are no where near center, more right at the edge of the holes. I did measure the PCD and it came out at what looked like 101.6 but I might try and measure it with calipers tomorrow.

Post by **bmcecosse** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:36 pm

Doesn't look like it will line up to me - use a steel rule or indeed Vernier caliper for an accurate measure. Any chance the studs have been bent at some time in the past ?

Post by **alanworland** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:54 pm

I'd say get your money back - not fit for purpose.

Post by **PSL184** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:17 pm

They look like 100mm which is only 3.94"......?

Post by **alanworland** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:46 pm

Close, but not close enough!

Post by **paulhumphries** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:30 am

You could always have the rims redrilled to 4" pcd at 90 degrees to the existing holes as it looks as if enough metal.

Paul H

Post by **ratrodmog** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:07 am

What gets me is that there are two small holes that fit exactly over the screws in the drum so would have assumed that the wheels are for these hubs/drums?!

Post by **plastic_orange** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:52 pm

I'm still waiting for info regarding the other pair of slot mags from the same seller. I asked the seller to confirm they don't foul the front upright, and he said he would try them. This makes me think he has never fitted them to a Minor, so i'd suggest they are the wrong pcd - money back time.

Pete

Post by **ratrodmog** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:03 pm

Hi plastic orange, the slots don't foul the uprights but that is the least of my worries

I've just put the calipers on them and they seem to me to be 4x100" PCD (ford?) so they definitely are not going to fit. Annoying that such a small measurement stops them from fitting, oh well

Unless anyone wants a set of slots for a FORD then I will be getting a refund. I really do need another set that fits though as I already have some for the back and wanted the fronts to match.

Post by **plastic_orange** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:21 pm

100 mm isn't Ford - Ford is 108mm I believe. I think it was a genuine mistake on the part of the seller, but perhaps he should have made sure he'd actually fitted them to a Minor before advertising.

Pete

Post by **picky** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:11 pm

Ben,

I should have checked that all four nuts would tighten up properly before selling them as 4" PCD. My apologies.

As the nuts are sleeved I would double check by fitting all four nuts on the wheel and see if that lines them up properly. If its no good then I will of course sort out a refund for you.

Plastic_orange, the other pair are slightly different, I will now check they actually fit the minor wheel by fitting the nuts aswell.

At least they will be easy to sell if they are 100mm, but they look so old that I assumed they must be an imperial size

Picky

Post by **ratrodmog** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:23 pm

Tim, if the other set are different and fit the minor hub any chance of a straight swap? I have put all four nuts on but they miss the holes unfortunately as the studs are on the outside edge of the holes:(

Ben

Post by **picky** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:32 pm

The only obvious difference between the two sets of wheels are that the other two dont have the extra two small holes inbetween the mounting holes. I dont know if the PCD is any different. I have already reserved the other set for plastic_orange, who had the foresight to ask that I check the PCD first

I am home next weekend and will ascertain whether they are 4" PCD or not, and then go from there if thats ok?

Picky