Suggestion for a recurring theme

[Peetee]

Now and again we get posts from owners out there who are not that knowledgeable about the structure of their cars or from potential owners looking at cars with a degree of corrosion. The questions usually go along the lines of 'is this serious/worth saving/spending cash on'.
We know from experience that there are certain areas on our cars that can hide a huge amount of corrosion due to cavities and hidden panels - but this is not obvious to the newbies and those that hand work over to the professionals (and live in hope).
There are some of us out there who have photographic restorations of corroded cars. Can I suggest we have a sticky of two showing graphically examples of visibly small rust problems that hide/hint at big areas of corrosion? As an example, the trailing edge of the front wing that hides the multiple inner panels.

[Luxobarge]

Sounds like a great idea to me - I'd enjoy a section like that, and benefit a lot from it too.

Cheers

[alainmoran]

Sounds like an excellent idea ... I dont know if it would be any use, but I have a book 'Morris Mono Construction' that has excellent exploded views of the internal structure of the minor, perhaps we could add shaded ares to denote common rot-spots?

Unfortunately I dont currently have a scanner

[Peetee]

Unfortunately Alan that might be breaching copyright.
I too have a restoration manual by another well known producer of maintenance manuals. it has a huge amount of info in - the only problem being that you need to know the vehicle very well to interperate the poor quality, greyscale photos
That's where I came up with using photos from members on this site.
Winter's here and that is traditionally the time that Minors are off the road and in pieces.
I've got a good camera and would be happy to take some snaps if someone local to me has a restoration job. I see it as being a set of photos for each problem area. It would go something like this:
1. Here's a typical corrosion spot on the rear of the front wing [photo]. Corrosions starts here because of X,Y or Z. Behind the wing panel are A,B,C panels [photos]expect corrosion on these too as water is thrown up and trapped in a gap at the back of the wing. The sill too can suffer [photo] ....etc etc

[polo2k]

sounds good!
When im ripping the next project apart I will try and take pics of whatever I can
It could be worth adding pics of what the area should look like

[PhilR]

And whilst we're at it, how about a "How To" section for such things as replacing bushes, trunnions etc. to include step by step pictures? I find this sort of thing so much more informative than workshop manuals!
Judging by the comments on Luxobarge's post about repairing seats, and fitting carpets this is what most people find helpful. I know I did!

[alainmoran]

Given that it's a "Morris Motors Publication" I doubt that anyone will be coming chasing after us for breach of copyright, also doesnt copyright run out after 50 years? (it ws published in 1953)

The only reason I suggest this is because I find line-art much easier to 'read' than photographs.

Edit:
Copyright on literary works is limited to 50 years after the death of the author.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/uk ... -pb4-l1g12

So when can it be said that the author 'Morris motors of cowley' died?

Also:
Would we be covered by section '36'
"Reprographic copies of passages from published literary, dramatic or musical works may, to the extent permitted by this section, be made by or on behalf of an educational establishment for the purposes of instruction without infringing any copyright in the work"
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/uk ... -pb3-l1g36

[jonathon]

Although I think this is a good idea, it worries me that some restos shown on this and other websites should not be held up as necessarily 'the correct way to do it'. If someone follows an example of welding from one person, and a failure arises due to this example being' bad practice' how would you stand legally.
In saying this I by no means imply that all of the work shown so far is bad practice, just that a few deeply worry me. This not only applies to just bodywork but also some mechanics.

[Peetee]

Completely agree Johnathon. I think it should only be a means to inform people of the potential hidden horrors behind a small bit of corrosion - or not, as the case may be.
You see a layman could be forgiven for being alamed about a rotten floor that causes the seat to rock, but not be too concerned about a few rust bubbles on a wing. In terms of repair however the least worrying can prove to be far more costly.

[jonathon]

Agreed, showing differing versions of the same problem areas can be very usefull indeed. Trouble is with so many potential areas it might put off new buyers

[les]

just that a few deeply worry me. This not only applies to just bodywork but also some mechanics.

Try this one then Jonathan--

A few years back I had a lift in a Mini and after, for some reason, the guy mentioned that he needed to get the rear n/s brake looked at, but as an interim measure he had flattened the appropriate steel brake pipe to cut of the fluid supply to that wheel cylinder! I might put this in the handy tips section!

[bigginger]

Been there, done that with a Bedford van

[les]

No comment!

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Probably what you were thinking ;)
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[jonathon]

Or in English 'bodger'

[les]

Latin is the last refuge of a scoundrel!

[rayofleamington]

Been there, done that with a Bedford van

Seen it done by squashing the flexi with some mole grips, then cable tie to hold the mole grips to the bodywork. This was in Mali on the way to Timbuktu - The rear caliper had fallen off due to chassis corrosion and heavy terrain.


As for the actual thread topic -->There is an area already on the site:
http://www.mmoc.org.uk/index.php?page=310
This IMHO is due for a complete re-write. I did volunteer a while ago but that didn't happen in the end.
However I support anyone who wants to take it on and am happy to provide any support if needed. I lost all my resto pics last year (and all my Africa pics) when my HD was virused but maybe one day I'll see if the HD can be rescued.

A for the vetting of content regarding 'safe practise' I would suggest that it is vetted also by Rob Thomasson (club Technical advisor) before the club allows anything to be published.

[alainmoran]

Although I think this is a good idea, it worries me that some restos shown on this and other websites should not be held up as necessarily 'the correct way to do it'. If someone follows an example of welding from one person, and a failure arises due to this example being' bad practice' how would you stand legally.
In saying this I by no means imply that all of the work shown so far is bad practice, just that a few deeply worry me. This not only applies to just bodywork but also some mechanics.

That's the whole purpose behind having a 'wiki' ... everyone can have their say and eventually the document becomes refined to the common opinon of the contributors ... you can also track every change and see who made it, and what was there before etc..

IMO it would be a really useful thing to do to extract all the nuggets of information from all the morris owners out there and build it into a library of useful stuff for future generations.

[Peetee]

I like the way this is developing.

[jonathon]

And , whilst you are collating the information, what happens.
I liken this to the NHS self help line, which tends to turn some of the general public into instant doctors , able to diagnose and treat themselves, and yes this is from a stance of authority/Knowledge.