synthetic paint

Post by **phil63** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:17 pm

Does anyone have experience of using synthetic xylene based paint? What sort of thinner is needed . ?what percentage for spraying ? Is there supplier in Shropshire ?
Regards Phil Burley

Post by **superchargedfool** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:48 pm

from memory I used to use fast flash thinners at 4:1, spray one half coat and then a full coat 5 minutes later.

Make sure you use a mask cos synthetic is so sticky up your nose!

Post by **polo2k** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:31 pm

I think they use xylene as the thinners in tipex too

Post by **RussLCV** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:46 pm

Synthetic paint, you need synthetic fast thinners I have used it on my pick-up just takes longer to dry

Any other issues e-mail me

Russ@MinorLCVreg.co.uk

Post by **bmcecosse** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:49 pm

What's the difference between 'synthetic' and 'cellulose' - seems both use at least some xylene in the thinners?

Post by **RussLCV** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:58 pm

they are not compatible

Post by **bmcecosse** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:26 pm

Aye - but in what way are they different ? They seem to use similar thinners!

Post by **RussLCV** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:40 pm

in the same way that synthetic paints differs from Celly. Its all in the chemical make up, for example if you use red oxide and spray celly over it it reacts..................synthetic covers it, so you can not thin a paint with the incorrect thinners.

Good results

Post by **bmcecosse** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:46 pm

Sorry - not getting it. If both paints use xylene thinners - they must be 'similar'. Can you show me a supplier of this 'synthetic' paint ? I would have thought ALL paint was synthetic, really?

Post by **RussLCV** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:57 pm

ICI permobel is a synthetic paint, enamel almost

Personally BMCECOSSE if you want to mix synthetic with celly thinners go ahead, I was answering Phil63 questions! He asked what was required and I told him

If you really want to know the difference then I suggest you contact you local paint supplier and then you can us all. I do know you cannot mix celly thinners with synthetic paint it its pickles!

But please try it if you doubt my words BMCECOSSE and let us know how you get on

Phil63 if you need any more info please feel free to e-mail and I can put you in touch with a supplier as well

linearaudio · Post by **linearaudio** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:04 pm

BMC, I fully understand what you're driving at. When I first started in agricultural engineering I was amazed that they used celly thinners in the synthetic (enamel) paints, but it works! Yet if you paint celly over synthetic it pickles! Never did understand how this anomoly could occur, but, trust me, I still paint lawnmowers with celly thinned synthetic and it works fine. The great thing with synthetic is its much glossier than celly, however it pickles badly on contact with petrol, until aged (approx 1 year!)

Post by **PSL184** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:37 pm

I painted one of ours in enamel using celly thinners and its come up great. Now its hardened off its very durable and takes some quite severe knocks without damage... Its a real pig to wet flat though as its so hard....

Post by **kennatt** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:51 pm

used to use permobel, years ago to do a quick flash over because you knew that there would be no reaction with the paint underneath,But takes ages to go off and you get loads of dust and flys in it,and hard if not impossible to flat down.In thoughs days of bodge it and scarper,was involved in a back street garage at the time. Used to take the car down to the car wash whilst the permobel was still soft to stress the paint to take off the very dulux gloss finnish. Happy days

Post by dp » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:34 pm

LINEARAUDIO wrote:BMC, I fully understand what you're driving at. When I first started in agricultural engineering I was amazed that they used celly thinners in the synthetic (enamel) paints, but it works! Yet if you paint celly over synthetic it pickles! Never did understand how this anomoly could occur, but, trust me, I still paint lawnmowers with celly thinned synthetic and it works fine. The great thing with synthetic is its much glossier than celly, however it pickles badly on contact with petrol, until aged (approx 1 year!)

Is cellulose thinners just a solvent that thins (dissolves?) cellulose? I.e. it's not actually cellulose? In the same way paint-stripper is not paint?

Post by **phil63** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:54 am

The paint I want to use is by Jawel Paints Birmingham . I dont want to paint my Doris , I did that with cellulose quite successfully . I want to paint a motor bike that has been painted with enamel years ago . The right colour is supplied by a dealer . but not the primer or thinner . The tin is not marked in any way except to say contains xylene.
Regards Phil Burley

Post by **PSL184** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:42 am

Jawel paints are still trading so it would be best to ask them what they recommend....

Post by **bmcecosse** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:49 am

Dunno why you are getting 'shirty' RussLCV - I was simply joining in the thread and trying to expand the answers! Seems we got there in the end.

Post by **RussLCV** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:51 pm

Phil

Jawels paint is fantastic and a great price I use it all the time, no matter what anyone says they will sell you the synthetic thinners too, thats cheap too

Post by **RussLCV** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:02 pm

Just for info guys, 5 litres Synthetic primer £28, 5 litres SYNTHETIC thinners £13, colour match paint 2.5 litres £22

They are good and so is the paint

Post by **phil63** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:41 pm

thanks for the information , i will get on to Jawel then and order some paint !!! Wat about drying times and percentage of thinners ?
Regards Phil