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Post by Longdog »

Hi can anybody give any useful tips on fitting the Ford type 9 box please?
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Yes - the end with the gearlever on it points towards the axle. :D
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Post by Bazzalucas »

Wow, Ratbag, thanks! That tidbit came just in the nick of time! :) Is there no end to the wise advice on this forum?
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Titbit?
OK, try searching previous posts. :-?
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Post by simmitc »

Unless you're into serious engineering, just buy a kit from one of the dealers who advertise in Minor Matters. All parts included and everything fits. It's a worthwhile mod for daily driving on high speed roads, but doesn't make much difference on country lanes or about town. Works with a 1098 or larger. Sychro on first is useful if towing a heavy trailer up a steep hill.
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Post by Bazzalucas »

Sorry, Ratbag, my last comment may have come out less light-heartedly than I intended. You were teasing, so was I. Plus, I learned it as "tidbit" here in the colonies. Nonetheless, having the trans facing the right way round can be quite useful when installing it.
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Titbits are a re good thing :-)
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Post by Longdog »

Hi thanks for advice, will bear in mind fore and aft aspect of box........5 reverse gears could be entertaining.I intend to do the job with kit though as I converted a celica box years ago which was fairly challenging.
Are these boxes a safe bet from a breakers or is it better to buy recon?
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Post by PSL184 »

They are known to be tough boxes so its probably a safe "risk" to buy from a breaker.... I think pukka breakers should offer some kind of guarantee anyway... Sale of goods act etc...?
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Post by bmcecosse »

It's very much easier and less expensive to simply install a 3.7 diff from a 1500 Midget in the rear axle. Similar top gear effect, but of course still only 4 gears. Advantage is about 2 hours to fit - instead of about 2 weeks for a 5 speed conversion. Cost also about £100 against at least £600 (maybe more?) for a 5 speed conversion.
But - each one to their own choice!
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Post by PSL184 »

Aye... you also get the benefit of better spaced ratios.....
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Post by bigginger »

bmcecosse wrote: about 2 weeks for a 5 speed conversion!

Eh? Who on earth told you that? A leisurely day, at worst
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Post by bmcecosse »

Depends if you have ALL the bits to hand - including the modified prop shaft/modified gearbox cover/bell housing/clutch linkage etc etc. Even with all that absolutely ready and to hand - if it's a leisurely day for you then you must be a much faster worker than me ! It would be a hard day's graft for me (working single handed) to change a standard gearbox - never mind do any modifications !
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Post by bigginger »

If you have all the bits to hand (just like you would with a diff change), it's very similar to changing a standard 'box - for which you'd need all the bits to hand too. Oh, and yes, all my work's single handed too :D
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Post by bmcecosse »

Well - i'll take your word for it Andrew!
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Post by bigginger »

Appreciated, thank you. It'd be a shame to leave a new member under the wrong impression.
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Post by bmcecosse »

Indeed it would - but about what cost would you estimate for that complete kit - all ready to fit in just the one day Andrew ??
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Post by Longdog »

I already have a 3.7 diff so that my lower profile tyres don.t make the engine go weeeeeeeeeeeee so 5 on the floor is the only way to go from here on in.Are the kits complete in every way or are there some parts required from Ford?Presumably a s/hand gearstick is required.
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Post by bmcecosse »

Still waiting for Andrew to come back with an idea of the cost. But yes I guess if you buy a complete 'kit' from a supplier - then it will have everything you need - ready to fit in one day!
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Post by MoggyTech »

Most kits are now selling for £650+VAT + the cost of a recon T9 Box.
So budget for the best part of £1000.

Doubt it could be done in a day unless you really went hammer and tongs at the job. The handbrake needs to be shortened to clear 4th gear, or moved back 2 inches for the same reason.

Worth the money IMHO as you get a box that is almost unbreakable, and quieter into the bargain. If running a 1098 I would stick with a 4.22 diff if fitting a 5 speed box. A lower ratio diff + 5 speed box on a 1098 will cause the engine to struggle through the gears.
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