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A New Morris Minor Lover

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Hey. Im new here just sighned up. ive just bought a Morris Minor. Needs work and has faults of courses. But i just love morris minors :). My Morris(Borris The Morris :p) is a 1969 model the seller said. One problem it has is when i press the clutch the pedal stays down?. I igured it would be a hydraulic cylinder. But im not sure if my morris has a mechanical Clutch or hydraulic. Any body know much ones were fitting on the 1969 models?. Also if its a mechanical clutch any body know what could be the problem.

So its my first restoration prodject. I know a fair bit about cars though. Gonna grab a haynes manual and get to work :D. Also is tehre anythnig i need to replace. Parts that usually went wrong?. Things i should replace for peace of mind?(Not brakes i figuresd id get a disc brake conversion kit :).
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Post by Peetee »

Welcome to the messageboard.

Borris' problem is probably down to the shaft that the pedal rotates on. It is open to the underside of the car and they often get rusty and seize. There is a plate under the carpet on the drivers side that you can remove and see the shaft. get loads of oil on there and work the clutch and brake pedals in and out. that sould help, otherwise the shaft will need replacing. Not a difficult job if you aquire the knowledge of the componant parts.
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Post by BorrisTheMorris »

Hey. Thanks for the info. I thought it would be exspensive. Lookign at the price of a new shaft on ebay there cheep. And it might not need to be replaced. I hope your right :)
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Post by Kevin »

if its a mechanical clutch
Yes it is and if you fill in your whereabouts there may be someone local who can help.
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Post by Packedup »

Depends what's meant by "down". If it stays down to the floor so the clutch doesn't engage then I agree totally with the above.

If the clutch engages but the pedal just doesn't come up as much as it should, it could be the spring. I know this, from having lost the spring when adjusting mine...
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Post by Judge »

Packedup wrote:If the clutch engages but the pedal just doesn't come up as much as it should, it could be the spring.
Which is even cheaper and easier :D
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Post by BorrisTheMorris »

yeah well either way its cheep and easy. Allthough its left hand drive so it will be under the passengers side?:P
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Post by BorrisTheMorris »

Also another note is that when the pedal is pressed nothing hapends clutch dosent kick in or anything
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Post by bigginger »

Relay shaft snapped? It'd mean the spring at the pedal end had gone too, but that's perfectly plausible if the shaft has gone - just peer under the car and see
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Post by simmitc »

The linkage from pedal to clutch is purely mechanical, a pair of plates, a rod, a fork, and a few pins. Look at the diagram in the manual, and then look under the car. Anything broken or missing should be obvious. I'd guess that the rod has snapped and the return spring popped off.

All components will always be on the driver's side, whether left or right. If you do need a new shaft then make sure that you specify left hand drive - it's a mirror image of the "normal" one.
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Post by bigginger »

simmitc wrote: I'd guess that the rod has snapped and the return spring popped off.
Both of us, then :D
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Post by BorrisTheMorris »

Thanks :). Now just route down the parts. Thanks evrey body you really helped. Im not worrying what it mught be :).

Edit:

Are you sure i cant just turn the relay shaft around and fit it. I can seem to find any sites that sell the left hand drive ones or dont even give wich side its ment to be used on. This is the right part right?
http://morrisminorspares.co.uk/shop/pro ... dbc2a655ee
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Post by chickenjohn »

You can buy a complete pedal shaft (complete with clutch pedal), new bronze bushes (need 4) and a complete clutch linkage as there are a couple of bushes that can wear in the linkage and the plates in the linkage can wear oval holes or the rods can wear and break.

Worth getting under the car and having a look (just to the right of the clutch bell housing)

If properl;y maintained (greased and inspected for wear), the clutch linkage is reliable. Maybe the pedal goes to the floor because the linkage was removed and is missing if this is a project car?
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Post by BorrisTheMorris »

Not exatly a prodject car but it has been sitting for a long time. Its had one owner exceot for me. Have the papers to confirm it and it has just been sitting derelict for a few years. body work looks good but needs new wings. Id try to repair it but there fibre glass. Tryed to run it and nothing happend when looked on picture of the engine bay rembered i forgot to connect the batterie :P. The owner tryed to restore it at one point but didnt finish.

Any wya were can i get this set of clutch items?. And how much will it set me back on?.
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Post by Kevin »

There are quite a few Moggie traders out there do a google search and it will show if there is one near you, useful to fill in your whereabouts though.
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Post by BorrisTheMorris »

No point in filling in my where abouts since my moggie isnt in england. Tis in denmark. Hence the left hand drive. But ui do spend alot of time in england. Just finding a left hand drive relay shaft in england were we use right hand drive is hard since they will all be right hand drive relay shafts. i did have a crazy idea. If it had snapped i could weld it back together.
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Post by Kevin »

No point in filling in my where abouts since my moggie isnt in england. Tis in denmark.
Ah but putting down your are in another county does help as people wont assume you have easy access to our spares specialists.
Is it definately the relay shaft that has broken and not just a missing spring or badly adjusted adjusting road.
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Post by Stig »

I had the weld break where the clutch pedal is fixed to the end of the relay shaft last year, the pedal went straight to the floor and the clutch didn't work. Very simple to weld up again once I'd got it off the car.

Have a look underneath with someone inside the car to move the pedal, you'll soon see how the linkage works (or doesn't).
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Post by bigginger »

Kevin wrote:Is it definately the relay shaft that has broken and not just a missing spring or badly adjusted adjusting road.
I think I got the name wrong when I wrote earlier - I meant the 'actuating rod', which is a reasonably common breakage
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Post by BorrisTheMorris »

bigginger wrote:
Kevin wrote:Is it definately the relay shaft that has broken and not just a missing spring or badly adjusted adjusting road.
I think I got the name wrong when I wrote earlier - I meant the 'actuating rod', which is a reasonably common breakage
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Ah okay. Well i better get searchign for one. None on ebay will need to find a trader neer me.

Also will check the weld when i get chance too :)
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