Have I got what it takes? Front re-bushing - UPDATED ...Q:s

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Have I got what it takes? Front re-bushing - UPDATED ...Q:s

Post by Bluesman »

Guys -

here´s what I have in the way of bushings. I ordered a full set, but this is what my supplier had in stock.

"Gummi"=rubber.

I also have the red grease.

Question is - how far do I get with what I have? Is is even useful to start re-bushing without having a full set at hand?

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Cheers /R
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Post by Orkney »

Well according to this you have 10 out of the 28 needed so I's say no :-(
http://www.morris-minor.org/shop/rubber ... p-616.html

and you need
THIS IS A COMPLETE SET OF 28 FRONT AND REAR SUSPENSION RUBBER BUSHES FOR ONE VEHICLE,FITS ALL SALOONS,TRAVELLERS AND CONVERTIBLES.INCLUDES 4 FRONT TIEBAR RUBBERS,4 LOWER EYEBOLT RUBBERS,4 TOP TRUNNION RUBBERS,4 REAR SHOCKER LINK RUBBERS,AND 12 REAR SHACKLE RUBBERS
So if you can afford it get a whole set - i did mention i was over the moon with the quality set i got from Bull Motif - dont know if that link is to one of the sets in question but some of teh quality is really dubious lately - so a lot will tell you dont bother and get the polybushes - bet seriously with a quality set you will not go wrong.

If they want a fortune to send you a set send them here and I'll airmail them to you - will cost next to nothing as they are not that heavy!
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Post by chickenjohn »

Looks like to do the front you need a couple more of the tie bar bushes (ones on the right). There are two bushes each side for the tie bar, they go either side of the chassis mounting.

You have enough to do one side of the front suspension and 2/3 of the other side (need two more tie bar bushes).

Where did you get the bushes from? Some of them look a slightly different shape to the ones I've used- not a problem, they should still work.
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Post by Bluesman »

My Swedish supplier ML Produktservice has these. His catalog is here:
http://www.mlproduktservice.com
I don´t know who his supplier is.

Anyways, looks like I need only the 2 tie rod bushes then, and in Poly. Gotta check with ML again. If he´s out of those, maybe I cud take you up on the offer, Orkney (tnx!).

In any case - now I know more. Enough to last me a couple of days :-)

Cheers /R
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Post by chickenjohn »

Yes, you can get most of the suspension re-bushing done with what you have as the Tie bar is the first piece to be removed during strip down and the last bit to be replaced- so you can do most the job then when the tie bat bushes arrive fit those last to complete the job.
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Post by Bluesman »

John, judging by your comment - I could re-bush and put it all back together, maybe with the old tie rod bushes on one side - just to establish the correct (or at least ballpark) geometry? Once the new tie rod bushes arrive, I cud swap them and be done?

I would love so much to have that issue out of the way and continue on other things. For mental and motivational reasons, if nothing else. I still have a rotten back end to attend to :-)

/Richard
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Post by chickenjohn »

Bluesman wrote:John, judging by your comment - I could re-bush and put it all back together, maybe with the old tie rod bushes on one side - just to establish the correct (or at least ballpark) geometry? Once the new tie rod bushes arrive, I cud swap them and be done?

I would love so much to have that issue out of the way and continue on other things. For mental and motivational reasons, if nothing else. I still have a rotten back end to attend to :-)

/Richard
Yes, you can do that! Good idea to do something satisfying to keep your morale up. You can take a lot of pride for your inner wing/ A pillar repairs! Very well done!
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Post by bmcecosse »

The 4 bushes you have marked 'gummi' look very unfamiliar!! I don't know where they are supposed to go. The two right-hand 'tie-bar' bushes look very thick although maybe just the picture making them look odd. I assume the ones in the middle are for the eye-bolt although the flanges look slightly smaller than I remember - but try them and see if they fit!
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Post by MoggyTech »

The 4 bushes you have marked 'gummi' look very unfamiliar!!
Kingpin to trunnion seals?
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Post by bmcecosse »

Hmmm - well maybe - but mine didn't look like that!
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Post by rayofleamington »

The 4 bushes you have marked 'gummi' look very unfamiliar!!
I don't think Mini's have them ;-) They are definately 100% (the right shape) trunnion rubbers, and fit on the open end of the trunnion where the king pin screws in.
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Post by bmcecosse »

Pretty sure the last ones I fitted - poly of course - had thicker walls than shown there!
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Post by Bluesman »

Puzzled. Have the two remaining tie rod bushes in the house now, but there´s another mystery:

This is what I have (plus 2 tie rod bushes not in picture)

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Three types of bushes, as you see.

This is my RHS suspension (no better pic available):

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I haven´t dismantled all of it yet, just the lower parts.

Am I correct to say that
a) I have two too many of type A - I just need one per side.
b) I still miss the uppermost bushings - the ones that are marked with BLC part number in the manual

?

In the manual (page K11--K12), there is talk about older and newer swivel pins (kingpins?), the newer ones having rubber bushes. This is definitely what I have. I can see cracked rubber.

Looks like I have to wait until I get these rubbers too before I make my suspension overhaul - or can that be fixed later without too much fuss?

Opinions welcome, as always.

Cheers /Richard
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Post by Peetee »

The set look to me like A: 4 seals for the trunions, The rest don't look right at all. The B's could be rear spring bushes but the centres look too large and C look look like tie-rod bushes but they are a bit too thick perhaps and anyway, I've never seen them with shoulders.
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Post by Bluesman »

The A type definitely has a lip on the inside of the thicker end. Must be for the kingpin? Is there one upper and one lower bush for the (vertical) kingpin? So I need all 4, then?

And..I keep getting confused - which part of the suspension is a trunnion - is it the low-end "bolt" that goes though the outer end of the wishbone=suspension arm?

Or the one that goes through the eyebolt? Or both? But..they aren´t the same size IIRC?

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Post by Bluesman »

Ah..I found it. Page K2 - the exploded view - explains it, I think.

Type A = nr 11 on the view, swivel pin seals = 2 per side

Type B is probably nr 45 on the view, for the eyebolt = 2 per side

Tpe C is nr 62 on the view - for the tie rod = 2 per side.

Then, I still miss the uppermost ones, labelled 39 on the exploded view. Dang.

Don´t you hate that? To have THE long holiday of the year, and suddenly discover you STILL miss parts for THE job of the year, even if you really really made sure with your supplier that you had it all? :evil:

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Post by bigginger »

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Those are two trunnions - just don't ask what 'digital coffee' is...
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Post by Bluesman »

Ah - thanks :-) *pours a cup of digital coffee without asking*

But...the lower of these two hasn´t got any rubber bushes, right?

So it´s the upper *trunnion*, the *swivel pin* (needs seals) and the *eyebolt* that need bushes/seals, plus the *tie rod*?

ANd thanks for the clarification!

Cheers /R
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Post by Willie »

This is a pic of the upper link assembly. I have found that the rubber bushes supplied last time didn't last very long at all. I have now fitted the yellow polyurethene type. The veryearly type of upper links had no rubber bushes at all and proved to be noisey so the rubber bushes were a modification. NOTE. When refitting to the upper link make sure that the
large hole is facing INWARDS to the engine otherwise you will find the road wheel at a crazy angle when you lower the car and you will have to do it all again!
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Post by Bluesman »

That confirms it - I still don´t have them all, them bushings I mean. Thanks a million.

And thanks for the tip!


Edit:
These are the pics I finally found in the book - I took the liberty to scan them (huge size pixel-wise, ready for printing, but only 800KB/piece)

http://homeweb.mah.se/~lurija/suspensio ... ed_img.jpg

http://homeweb.mah.se/~lurija/suspensio ... d_text.jpg

Hope these pics - and this thread makes life easier for someone.

/Richard
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