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Having "Lottie" the split screen morris off the road since November doing new wings ,trunnions etc I have renewed all the hoses ,had the rad cleaned and painted new fan blade etc painted the engine etc etc.

When I filled up with anti freeze and water today no leaks on the hoses but the water looked like it was pouring out by the by-pass hose upon closer inspection however it was coming out of the r/h side water pump bolt now this has never leaked before in the 4 years I have had "lottie" (or not that i have noticed) the bolt has not been touched during the renovations so I got a spanner to tighten this up and it would not tighten up , so I took everything out again and got a socket on it to to tighten it up but it would not tighten so I removed the bolt it only to find that the thread on the end was non existant!!!.

any one ever had a leak from this bolt before????
Seems strange it should come out of the bolt :D

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It appears to be leaking from the bolt but it is probably the waterpump gasket that is leaking as the broken bolt is not clamping the water pump tightly. A new gasket & bolt & all should be well again.

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well thats what I will do

thanks rog :)
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So - the bolt has now broken off leaving a stub in the block ??
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Post by les »

A couple of the bolt holes go through to the water jacket, but as mentioned the bolt probably was not compressing the gasket.
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No the bolt does not appear to be snapped just thread stripped off the end I will find this out when I get the new bolt I wil be ordering a compelte new set of bolts do the lot at once.

Thinking about it as well I suspect that putting the new fan blades and the like it has disturbed the bolt plus and I do not believe this vehicle has had anti-freeze in it as it was only used in the summer prior to my purchase. and I only ever topped it up with water :oops:

So I would assume antifrezze being thinner than water its found the hole in the gasket.

will let you know of the outcome.
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On the bolts that go through into the water jacket, put some sealant on the threads (the bolt and hole must be dry). Even with a good gasket water can find its way up the bolt itself.

The sealant can be 'instant' gasket.
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If no thread on bolt - then I wonder if there will be any thread left in the block! You may need to tap out to the next size up (perhaps - gasp - metric) and use a matching bolt. In fact anti-freeze is more 'searching' than water - and soon finds any little escape passages.
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The bolts are 5/16" UNF and I would check the block carefully - cast iron has a high carbon content, so even without the anti-corrosion properties provided by using antfreeze, I would hope that the thread will be ok, but might need clearing out with a tap.

8mm is virtually the same size as 5/16", but a much coarser pitch. Going bigger means 3/8" (10mm is slightly bigger than 3/8"), and not to be done unless there really is no thread left in the block - unlikely? The gasket doesn't have a lot of room to enlargen the bolt holes.

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following on from last time ordered a 803cc new water pump gasket & bolts from ESM they came next day , removed the water pump and the gasket ESM sent was different to the pump fitted , so I went to check the plate on the engine no plate !!! :(

looked for other marks on the block only ones I could see was mowog and 850 at the front of the engine by the exhaust manifold, now I am assuming this is an 850cc engine can someone advise obviusly its not an orginal morris engine :D

Looks like I will have to make a gasket to fit this water pump.
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The water pumps have never changed in basic shape - gasket should fit all. 850 - hmmm - officially only for early Minis in East-West config but I am sure some North-South were made and fitted to A35 vans. Are you sure it's 850 - not 950 ?? Gasket will still be the same no matter what.
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bmcecosse wrote:The water pumps have never changed in basic shape - gasket should fit all.
Oh yes they have - the 803 water pump is quite different & uses a different gasket to the later ones.

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No its definetly 850 on the side and the 803 gasket is round and small :D

The shape of the pump on the car is like a hedgehog shape and its bigger they are different sizes.
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Ahh -= didn't know the 803 had a different pump arrangement. Learn something new every day!! So - your hedgehog shape is the common one - and if it really is '850' then you must have one of the rare late engines. However - standard gasket will fit - ask at Hellfrauds for 998 Mini gasket.
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